PS Audio Noise Harvester

ExtremeSkeptic said:
I'm not interested in music, I just use it to listen to my audio system.
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Yes, you have already said that, several times. My question is: If you are not interested in music, why have an audio system?

I don't like to hear muddy detail so I tweak my audio system to remove the mud in front.
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If you are not interested in music, I have a better idea: Throw away your audio system. It is of no use to you.

It's like having a painting covered up in mud and I clean it up so I can see what is there.
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Except you say you are not interested in paintings.

But skeptics do the opposite, they are afraid of the unknown so they keep the painting covered up.
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How do you propose to have any idea of what skeptics think and do?

They are also afraid that another person will find the painting and clean it up, because then the other person would know more than him.
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Heheh. The week when you know more than any one of us will have two thursdays.

It's not hard to figure out who are the most evil people in the world.
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Frankly, I don't think them most evil people in the world are much interested in audio discussions, one way or the other.

You said you listen to the improvements of the audio system with the music paused, guess who is having the strong imagination.
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No, I didn't say that. I said I listen for system noise with the music paused. And if you can't understand that difference, you have my sympathy.

I only believe in lies if they end up being truth in the end.
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That is too silly, even for signature material. But congratulations on constructing one short sentence that is both meaningless and self-contradicting.

If the gadgets didn't already exist I would have made them myself. Half of my ideas aren't manufactured yet.
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Well, there is some hope for the world, then. ... Actually, none of your ideas are manufactured. The gadgets you have are other people's ideas.

I have found that different ambient temperature affects the audio components differently.
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Son, you don't even have the foggiest idea what the individual components do. Much less how they affect the performance.

I am waiting until someone manufactures a temperature controlled box for the audio system.
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That will come, I'm sure. Why don't you build your own?

It also needs to be shielded and have a display on front which shows the input and output EMI.
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That is nonsense.

With the display you can choose the ambient temperature and humidity inside the box. With multiple boxes you can mix the flavors in the whole audio system.
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Talk about fantasy :rolleyes:.

Honestly ES, let me use your own analogy about the muddy painting:

You propose to clean it up, but you don't even know what is front or back on the canvas.

You don't even know where the mud stops and the paint starts, and you don't care. You are just fiddling around with whatever comes into your mind.

Hans
 
From "Tommy" by "The Who"
Fiddle about, fiddle about, fiddle about.
You won't "Sh*te"
As I fiddle "abite."
Fiddle about, fiddle about, fiddle about.
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Paul

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Haven't looked at this thread in a while. I see ES still hasn't learned a thing.

ES, I've spent 8 years working as a Radar Tech. I've designed, built, and listened to my own amplifiers. I so love music that I've put together a ~$40k system. While I learned my electronics in the USMC and one doesn't get a degree that way, I have the equivilant knowledge of someone with a Masters in EE.

You sir, are full of it. Buy a clue and start listening to people. This Noise Harvester is a pure D scam. No, you really can't hear a difference, because there is no difference to hear. As painful as it is, you need to get educated in the ways a human can fool himself.

I've seen it a million times, a fool like you says they can clearly hear the difference between configuration A and configuration B, but as soon as they are blind to which config they are listening to it all falls apart. Go read the "Dowsing by Edge" thread. You are just like him. You can't believe that you could fool yourself like that and are thus perpetually stuck believing in a fairy tale.

There are so many scams that prey on the Audiophile that lacks the critical reasoning skills to escape self delusion. Looks like you have fallen for most of them.

Here is the biggest clue anyone will ever hand you on this.... If a difference is 'subtle', don't even believe it exists until you can reliably detect it in blind ABX testing. Humans are so good at hearing subtle changes that are nothing more than suggestion, it is amazing.
 
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This thread did not turn out the way I expected...

There is no reason to reply to anything that ES writes. He is unable to understand squat of it. So don't bother. This thread deserves to die.
 
mroek said:
This thread did not turn out the way I expected...

There is no reason to reply to anything that ES writes. He is unable to understand squat of it. So don't bother. This thread deserves to die.
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Maybe we can talk about what you drive, instead. BMW I'm guessing.
 
MRC_Hans said:
Either one, or both. Now, tell me: If one person is basing his position solely on subjective listening, and the other is backing his with an actual knowledge about the technology, who is the imaginative one?

Hans
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The one who is biased by the flawed knowledge.
 
mroek said:
Wow, are you some sort of psychic? :D

Yes, I am a BMW fan. I own two BMWs, an old 5-series and a newer 3-series.
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Cool... we've got:

95 530i (V8)
98 328i
06 325i

All are manual tranny. The 06 is a sport model.

I hope to add a 335i sport this summer.
 
scotth said:
ES, I've spent 8 years working as a Radar Tech.
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That's the problem.

scotth said:
I've designed, built, and listened to my own amplifiers. I so love music that I've put together a ~$40k system. While I learned my electronics in the USMC and one doesn't get a degree that way, I have the equivilant knowledge of someone with a Masters in EE.
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People who use "knowledge" to build amplifiers fail to make them sound good. If the amplifiers measure good they are having a placebo because they expect them to sound good. It's the same with mp3 vs wav, they automatically think mp3 sounds bad because it measures worse.


scotth said:
You sir, are full of it. Buy a clue and start listening to people. This Noise Harvester is a pure D scam. No, you really can't hear a difference, because there is no difference to hear. As painful as it is, you need to get educated in the ways a human can fool himself.

I've seen it a million times, a fool like you says they can clearly hear the difference between configuration A and configuration B, but as soon as they are blind to which config they are listening to it all falls apart. Go read the "Dowsing by Edge" thread. You are just like him. You can't believe that you could fool yourself like that and are thus perpetually stuck believing in a fairy tale.

There are so many scams that prey on the Audiophile that lacks the critical reasoning skills to escape self delusion. Looks like you have fallen for most of them.

Here is the biggest clue anyone will ever hand you on this.... If a difference is 'subtle', don't even believe it exists until you can reliably detect it in blind ABX testing. Humans are so good at hearing subtle changes that are nothing more than suggestion, it is amazing.
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1. You don't know the history I have had in psychology and placebo studying.

2. I have done double blind tests on video, and passed every one of them.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
People who use "knowledge" to build amplifiers fail to make them sound good. If the amplifiers measure good they are having a placebo because they expect them to sound good. It's the same with mp3 vs wav, they automatically think mp3 sounds bad because it measures worse.
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The BS just never stopsssss........

Oh my sides hurt from laughing.........

Please stop your BS....... Extremelackofknowledge......

Paul

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ExtremeSkeptic said:
I have done double blind tests on video, and passed every one of them.
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He has done anything but a double blind test, I should show the test that he has on the internet to Randi the next time I see him, he could use a good laugh......:D

Paul

:) :) :)
 
scotth said:
Cool... we've got:

95 530i (V8)
98 328i
06 325i

All are manual tranny. The 06 is a sport model.

I hope to add a 335i sport this summer.
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I live in Norway, and we have ridiculously high taxes on anything with wheels and an engine (bigger engine -> more taxes), so my cars are a 92 520i (M50B20) and a 01 320i (M54B22) which is a sport model. In the US these models aren't imported, I think.

I am pleasantly surprised your cars are manuals. Mine are too, I just can't stand automatic transmissions.

Here you can see a few images of my E46 (only one inline image, the rest are links):

e46_4.jpg

http://personal.dynator.no/e46_8.jpg
http://personal.dynator.no/e46_2.jpg
http://personal.dynator.no/e46_3.jpg
 
Gotta love their manual trannys...

But, I've driven their latest 3 automatic. If I had to drive an auto, theirs would be the one. It is a 6speed auto, and drives much like I do... it is quite impressive.
 
mroek, and I meant to add.... Nope, the x20s aren't imported here.

The smallest engine we get is the 3.0 liter in-line six. The 06 325i and 07 328i are both that 3.0 liter engine regardless of their badging.
 
mroek said:
This thread did not turn out the way I expected...

There is no reason to reply to anything that ES writes. He is unable to understand squat of it. So don't bother. This thread deserves to die.
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ES seems to be a firm believer in the "Final Word Fallacy" of debate. That is, the side that speaks last wins the debate, no matter how foolish or baseless their statements may be.

Maybe this thread could be closed immediately after ES posts his next diatribe. That way, we get our wish (he stops posting crap), and so does he (gets the last word).
 
Paulhoff said:
Percent?

Paul

:) :) :)
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If you buy a standard family car with a small engine, more than half of the price you pay are taxes.

The only specific percentage I can give you is 25%, which is the tax we pay on absolutely everything we buy, except on food (which is a meager 14%).

For cars there are additional taxes based on the car's weight, how much power it has (kW), and how much CO2 it emits per km.
 
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