Protests in Wisconsin - Scott Walker

BeAChooser said:
Now THAT I can believe. :D
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War is a terrible thing.

And for the record, I recognize some wars are fought in self defense or legitimately in defense of another country. I did not protest the first Iraq war. If I wasn't a single mother of an infant at the time I might even have volunteered my nursing skills.

But there have been years of war in my lifetime where the people who we were defending were big corporate interests and the enemy was the majority of people in the countries. If we had really been for spreading democracy around the world, we wouldn't have taken out Allende or Mossadeq. We wouldn't have supported the Contras.
 
BeAChooser said:
LOL! So you think he's a dictator? No, he was actually elected.
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Why not cherry pick out the fact one is Egyptian and claim there is no analogy there?

They both gave a speech completely defiant to the population that was protesting. There was no statement of understanding, no offer of trying to address the complaints. Instead it was a speech of, "screw you", to the protesters. And that is how his speech was similar to Mubarak's.
 
Emperor_Gestahl said:
There doesn't need to be a rush to pass the bill, there just needs to be a majority of congressmen to vote for it and a governor to sign it.

As for trying to pass it quietly they certainly didn't succeed at "sneaking" this one by. Score one for the democrats, but eventually the bill would need to be voted on. I don't blame them for trying to make it as politically damaging to the republicans as they can but crippling the legislature for a long period of time is not a legitimate option.
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They haven't crippled the legislature for a long time. It's only been a few days.

And what degree of responsibility do Walker and the Republican state legislators have in all this? They are in engaging in unethical behavior, but the response here seems to be to focus solely on the reaction of the Democrats.
 
BeAChooser said:
Like I said, you think their money is your money. Gotcha.
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For starters, I don't live in Wisconsin, so this dodge is just as stupid as it is cowardly.

I asked you to substantiate your "tax cuts" claim by providing details of these tax cuts.

Your repeated failure to do so speaks volumes.
 
johnny karate said:
They haven't crippled the legislature for a long time. It's only been a few days.
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And I said I'm OK with this so far. Politicians get some leeway with me for these kind of stunts.

And what degree of responsibility do Walker and the Republican state legislators have in all this? They are in engaging in unethical behavior, but the response here seems to be to focus solely on the reaction of the Democrats.
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I'm not here to argue against your opinions about the legislation, just saying if the democrats take this walk-out to the extreme it would be very undemocratic. So far I'm keeping it categorized as harmless grandstanding and playing to their base. If they honestly try to shut down the legislature until the next election that's seditious.
 
Emperor_Gestahl said:
I'm not here to argue against your opinions about the legislation, just saying if the democrats take this walk-out to the extreme it would be very undemocratic. So far I'm keeping it categorized as harmless grandstanding and playing to their base. If they honestly try to shut down the legislature until the next election that's seditious.
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We are each entitled to our opinions.

I disagree with you, and don't think the Republicans get a pass because they tried to pull a fast one and failed.
 
johnny karate said:
We are each entitled to our opinions.

I disagree with you, and don't think the Republicans get a pass because they tried to pull a fast one and failed.
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The law isn't a matter of opinion though, they are required to vote. When the political games are over they'd better get back and do their jobs even if they don't want to.
 
Emperor_Gestahl said:
The law isn't a matter of opinion though, they are required to vote. When the political games are over they'd better get back and do their jobs even if they don't want to.
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But the law doesn't completely and exclusively encapsulate what is right and wrong.

As I said before, sometimes people do illegal things as matter of moral or ethical principle.
 
If I was in Wisconsin, I would be getting fed up with the posturing and theatrics from both parties.
 
I would suggest that the Democrats return, allow Walker and company to push through their idiotic program, and use the results to have them voted out of office, but there are a couple of big problems:

1) Americans are *********** dumb.

2) We did that at the national level, it was called the Bush administration. Our collective revelation concerning the horrid nature of those policies lasted less than a year.
 
johnny karate said:
But the law doesn't completely and exclusively encapsulate what is right and wrong.

As I said before, sometimes people do illegal things as matter of moral or ethical principle.
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Even if they're "right" and the republicans are "wrong" our form of government couldn't survive the precedent it would set. If the dems were to succeed here via crippling the legislature the repubs will start doing the same to any legislation they don't like. The entire machine would grind to a halt until we either forced votes or removed the quorum requirements. In either case the majority would have its way, that's how democracy is supposed to work. Hopefully it won't go that far.
 
johnny karate said:
As I said before, sometimes people do illegal things as matter of moral or ethical principle.
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Nothing is stopping them from going ahead and breaking laws as a matter of moral or ethical principal. But they should still be charged with breaking those laws and do the time if convicted. As a matter of principle. Because if you don't like the law, change it. Otherwise, there will really be chaos. Laws will be meaningless if people can break them and get away with it with impunity. Afterall, I have moral and ethical principles as well ... ones that I think would make violating laws that democrats seem to like more than appropriate. And if you folks can get away with it, then why shouldn't I be able to? Of course, ever since Clinton, we've all known that democrats don't give a damn about the law. :D
 
BeAChooser said:
I think it would be quicker if you could explain why a tax cut is a spending increase ... which is what you originally claimed happened.
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You mean what was quoted repeatedly for you and linked to numerous times including the OP?

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/editorial/article_61064e9a-27b0-5f28-b6d1-a57c8b2aaaf6.html

“Since his inauguration in early January, Walker has approved $140 million in new special-interest spending that includes:
“• $25 million for an economic development fund for job creation that still has $73 million due to a lack of job creation. Walker is creating a $25 million hole which will not create or retain jobs.
“• $48 million for private health savings accounts, which primarily benefit the wealthy. A study from the federal Governmental Accountability Office showed the average adjusted gross income of HSA participants was $139,000 and nearly half of HSA participants reported withdrawing nothing from their HSA, evidence that it is serving as a tax shelter for wealthy participants.
“• $67 million for a tax shift plan, so ill-conceived that at best the benefit provided to ‘job creators’ would be less than a dollar a day per new job, and may be as little as 30 cents a day.”
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TraneWreck said:
I would suggest that the Democrats return, allow Walker and company to push through their idiotic program, and use the results to have them voted out of office, but there are a couple of big problems:
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You forget the biggest problem for democrats, TW.

#3 ... what Walker and company are doing might succeed in getting our economic house in order. :D
 
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