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Proof of Life After Death!!

If I can make a guess seeing as how it pertains to the OC;

I think the idea may have been that if her brother a skeptic went a John Edward show and suddenly rethought everything she could later then say "See when someone really opens up their mind they find the truth" or something along those lines.

I think it was just this, Robin was a good and mostly honest person who could not understand why others didn't believe John Edward was as amazing as he seemed to her.

I wish her nothing but the best in her future travels.
 
[FONT=Verdana, serif]I can't speak for others but R1 certainly didn't convinced me one iota that JE “readings” provide “Proof of life after death”, let alone that she was even “A true sceptic and always will be”. Like all paranormal believers R1 will continue to believe her beliefs as long as her emotional needs and desires override her intellectual ability. [/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, serif]All healthy humans have emotions and the loss of loved ones is a sad and difficult time for us all. So is it better to believe what your emotions want to be true, or is it better to know and accept what reality tells you is true? I guess we all have the right to make our own choices but I will never accept that the likes of JE have the right to take advantage of peoples grief and suffering using lies and trickery to gain fame and fortune. I will always actively expose JE and his ilk for being the scumbags that they are in the hope it may prevent some from falling for their unconscionable scam.[/FONT]
 
ynot said:
[FONT=Verdana, serif]I can't speak for others but R1 certainly didn't convinced me one iota that JE “readings” provide “Proof of life after death”, let alone that she was even “A true sceptic and always will be”. Like all paranormal believers R1 will continue to believe her beliefs as long as her emotional needs and desires override her intellectual ability. [/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, serif]All healthy humans have emotions and the loss of loved ones is a sad and difficult time for us all. So is it better to believe what your emotions want to be true, or is it better to know and accept what reality tells you is true? I guess we all have the right to make our own choices but I will never accept that the likes of JE have the right to take advantage of peoples grief and suffering using lies and trickery to gain fame and fortune. I will always actively expose JE and his ilk for being the scumbags that they are in the hope it may prevent some from falling for their unconscionable scam.[/FONT]
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I was tempted to make fun of Robin for claiming to be a true skeptic, but you really have to handle the woos with kid gloves if you want them to stick around.
 
torifrog said:
No, I asked you because you're the one who stated he said you lied to discourage lurkers from agreeing with you - and I have no idea why ANYONE would think that, unless they truly thought Foolme has some innate power over lurkers. I am fairly certain Foolme doesn't believe he has such power, but for some reason you've given it to him? Since YOU brought the claim (him stating you lied would make lurkers think twice), I want to know why YOU believe that.



ETA: Hi Zelda! Thanks for weighing in. My mobility scooter shares your moniker. Are you also red to go faster? ;)
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Sorry Tori- I'm just back after a 400 mile round trip to see my father, and just saw this

Unfrtunately-no..I'm an old go slower..lol. Took the name from the Nintendo game, so I'm...green?
 
Thanks for posting this, JoeBentley!
Before we bust up this party, and god dammit we're gonna bust it up, we have to make it very clear where our hearts are. We have nothing but empathy for the people who are experiencing the loss and grief of the death of a loved one. That guy who lost his mom rips my heart out. I'm a momma's boy whose mom died a couple of years ago, and I'll never get over it, and my dad died at around the same time, and I was very close to both of them. I loved them so much there isn't a moment that goes by that I don't miss them. Houdini didn't really go nuts busting these mediums until he lost his mom. Once you've felt that pure grief, seeing it exploited can take away your sense of humor.

Once a loved one has died, all we have is our memories of them. There is nothing more precious to me than my memories of my mom and dad. We don't give a rat's [butt] about the money these bastards are taking from the grief stricken; what we do care about deeply is the desecration of memories. These "performance artists" are, in a very real sense, mother-[censored]ers. That poor guy's grieving memories of his mother are now all [messed] up by somebody else's images. All he will ever have left of his mom are memories, and this pig has pissed on those for a buck and a little un-earned fame. I'm sure these lame [censored] tell themselves that they're easing the grief, but skits for money can not replace loving memories. How low do you have to be to exploit someone's true grief to sell some bull[censored] book?

One of the weird things Houdini discovered is that some of these mediums actually slip into believing their own bull. They forget their own misses, or as John Edward, the Biggest Douche in the Universe, does, rewrite them as hits that we're just not able to recognize. Cold reading can be done accidentally. That doesn't mean the psychic is a better person. Lying to themselves does not make lying to others OK. It can make intellectually lazy scumbags more convincing and dangerous. But even if these [censored] know they're just making this [stuff] up and pushing people's buttons, they tell themselves, "At least I'm comforting the bereaved." Who are they to decide that lying about the universe and a dead loved one is what the bereaved needs!? That's condescending bull!
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I think it's really the last word on the subject of these predators and their victims.

Apology said:
The month off has been converted to a ban and OccamJr was also Robin. I don't know what she thought she was doing, trying to convince us or just trolling for attention, but she won't be back this time.
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I'm sorry to hear that.
It shows just how deluded Robin1 is, to have stooped so low.
 
pakeha said:
Thanks for posting this, JoeBentley!
I think it's really the last word on the subject of these predators and their victims.
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Agreed.

I'm sorry to hear that.
It shows just how deluded Robin1 is, to have stooped so low.
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No, that isn't what Darat said. Robin tried to circumvent her suspension by using Occam's account. He did not say they were the same person.
 
Darn, I'm late to the party then? And I had some really good questions for Robin.

I only got to post 1861 before I decided to skip to the end to see how it played out. And now I find out Robin has been banned. Serves me right for not visiting the JREF as often as I used to.
(Ahh the good ol' VFF days - Hey Desertgal :) )
 
My questions were going to be about how many 'psychics' she had visited before John Edward and at what point she felt they were frauds?
In essence, how many psychics did she visit, while believing them to be frauds before having the amazing JE experience?
She even describes a private sitting with a 'well known, extremely popular psychic in Manhatten' and then mocks how awful he was.

This is a lot of money and time spent visiting psychics who she continuously found to be fraudulent and using obvious tricks.

Yet still she continued going.

What are we to make of this?

It sounds like she so desperately wanted one to be real that she would keep going until she had some form of meaningful hit - which eventually she did (and which you would expect to be pretty much inevitable for someone who is repeatedly going to such shows).
And that she wasn't quite so sceptical of psychics as she is claiming (and yet even as someone who wanted to believe, she was still surprised at how bad they were).

Bottom line - keep going to psychics and one will, by the law of average, say something that you can interpret as a strong hit.
Although I would have expected the hit to be actually more meaningful than the weird fridge nonsense.

Oh and as someone who has read through a lot of this in one chunk, her story did keep changing didn't it?
 
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Ashles said:
Bottom line - keep going to psychics and one will, by the law of average, say something that you can interpret as a strong hit.
Although I would have expected the hit to be actually more meaningful than the weird fridge nonsense.
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Well said.

I suspect that if I went to enough psychics, one would guess that I keep Pina Coladas in the refrigerator for the day that Valerie Harper shows up at my door.

IXP
 
Sideroxylon said:
Nice to see you back, Ashles.
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Cheers. :)

I have got up to the mid 2400s post-wise - Robin1 has become more clear that she had already visited many, many psychics, and also that, had JE not been successful she would have gone to many more.

So clearly her experience of positive hits was very far from inexplicable. It was pretty much inevitable.

This I think is a big issue with those who self-describe as 'open-minded' - it means they will keep returning to an experience even when it yields nothing.
So of course eventually... it does.
 
PiscesMercury said:
The payout Sally Morgan got from the Daily Mail reminded me of

a) how dumb people are
b) how difficult it is for skeptics to prove mediums are fake

The fact that Sally admits she will always get criticism and is ok with that, yet got a payout from critics, is simply stupifying. I admit though that I am not familiar with her or her shows, I just read the article about her which was mentioned in this forum.
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That was an interesting case. Before that I had been unsure whether I despised Sally Morgan or the Daily Mail more.
It was as though Harry Hill had set up the entire scenario to test my relative feelings towards different subjects.

It turns out I despise Sally Morgan more.
 
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