Proof of Immortality III

[The Sparrow]

....this is my hobby.....

Very telling.

So your hobby is to be endlessly proven wrong?
Why not try music, model ship building, fishing? Something useful.

 

[John Jones]

jond,
- I try to answer Dave as much as possible, but this time he gave me numerous points to answer, and the best I can do is probably one or two at a time. Consequently, I put him off for the time being...
- I have 2 or 3 hrs a day to commit to this forum; I use those hours; this is my hobby;and, what you see is the best I can do under the circumstances. The less you say, and the friendlier you are, the more likely it is that your questions and objections will be answered. I only have so much time, and I use it all.

Maybe you think ISF is your personal platform where you make all the rules?

 

[Loss Leader]

this is my hobby.

What, exactly, is your hobby? Is it philosophizing about the metaphysical? Is it sparring with a group of atheists to sharpen your rhetoric? Is it engaging in critical thinking about subjective feelings? Is it spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ, o our Lord and Savior, through whom we have eternal life?

Because you're not really doing any of those.

 

[wea]

What, exactly, is your hobby?

Running a few cycles of the one program. When deadlock threatens , let the watchdog timer reset.

 

[Loss Leader]

Running a few cycles of the one program. When deadlock threatens , let the watchdog timer reset.

"Upon receiving an interupt, decrement the counter to zero."

- Wm. Gibson
Count Zero

 

[Mojo]

"- I think that I can essentially prove immortality using Bayesian statistics.
- If this belongs in a different thread, or has already been done, please let me know. Otherwise, I'll present my case here."
- Jabba
Thread Zero

 

[John Jones]

"- I think that I can essentially prove immortality using Bayesian statistics.
- If this belongs in a different thread, or has already been done, please let me know. Otherwise, I'll present my case here."
- Jabba
Thread Zero

Hah!
That was a real hoot, wasn't it?

 

[Jabba]

Jabba:

Here's a question that hasn't been asked in a while: What practical difference does it make if your argument were true? If souls existed and were assigned to bodies who received them like radios, how would that influence any action anybody takes ever?

LL,

- I hope this doesn't affect your responses. But, if it doesn't, you're probably stuck with me for awhile -- most everyone else is just insulting me these days.

- By the time I was 11, God (much less Jesus) wasn't making any sense to me -- and without a God, when I died, that would be it. That really scared me. And, the adults around me couldn't answer my questions or assuage my fear. I didn't want to cease existing for ever and ever...
- But, I kept studying the issue -- being especially interested in consciousness. Consciousness didn't seem to make sense either -- but, there it was.
- When I was 14 I had an epiphany (right or wrong) which I am currently trying to explain. Whatever, it made a big difference in my life -- I no longer feared death (except for the separation from loved ones). For those of us who would fear non-existence (you guys don't seem to), my epiphany (if understood and accepted) should take away that fear and, thereby, greatly influence their actions.

 

[Hokulele]

A reasonable human being should fear death. It's one of the things that keeps us from doing something truly idiotic, like drinking anti-freeze.

What a reasonable human being shouldn't fear is non-existence.

 

[abaddon]

LL,

- I hope this doesn't affect your responses. But, if it doesn't, you're probably stuck with me for awhile -- most everyone else is just insulting me these days.

- By the time I was 11, God (much less Jesus) wasn't making any sense to me -- and without a God, when I died, that would be it. That really scared me. And, the adults around me couldn't answer my questions or assuage my fear. I didn't want to cease existing for ever and ever...
- But, I kept studying the issue -- being especially interested in consciousness. Consciousness didn't seem to make sense either -- but, there it was.
- When I was 14 I had an epiphany (right or wrong) which I am currently trying to explain. Whatever, it made a big difference in my life -- I no longer feared death (except for the separation from loved ones). For those of us who would fear non-existence (you guys don't seem to), my epiphany (if understood and accepted) should take away that fear and, thereby, greatly influence their actions.

That's because all of us know (including you) exactly what non-existence is like. We all had billions of years of it before we were born, we will all have billions of years of it after we die too. What's to fear?

 

[Jabba]

What, exactly, is your hobby? 1)Is it philosophizing about the metaphysical? 2)Is it sparring with a group of atheists to sharpen your rhetoric? 3)Is it engaging in critical thinking about subjective feelings? 4)Is it spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ, o our Lord and Savior, through whom we have eternal life?

Because you're not really doing any of those.

LL,
-Re
1) Yes.
2) It's sparring with a group of atheists to see if we can actually get somewhere in debate.
3) To some extent.
4) No.

 

[Jabba]

And the responses I made to it were similar to previous responses I've made to previous versions.

How about responding to my responses this time?

Dave,
- I'll try to figure out to which responses I haven't responded.

 

[jond]

A reasonable human being should fear death. It's one of the things that keeps us from doing something truly idiotic, like drinking anti-freeze.

What a reasonable human being shouldn't fear is non-existence.

Welcome back! You've been missed. And, as you can see, you haven't missed a thing.

 

[Hokulele]

Why, thank you!

And so I see...

 

[JoeMorgue]

Hey Hokulele. Let me sum up the entire thread since you've been gone so you won't be lost.

Jabba claimed he was gonna prove a bunch of stuff and then didn't.

You should be up to speed now.

 

[JayUtah]

...most everyone else is just insulting me these days.

If you think that, try to figure out why. It might have something to do with you constantly repeating long-debunked arguments, assiduously ignoring other people's responses, and insisting on being treated like a delicate flower.

In other words, quit complaining about how badly you think you're being treated and pay closer attention to your own egregiously childish behavior. When everyone but you comes to the same conclusion about your attitude and behavior, your contrary opinion doesn't amount to much.

Consciousness didn't seem to make sense either -- but, there it was.

Asked and answered. Have all the existential crisis you want. Just don't drag us along with you.

 

[JayUtah]

It's sparring with a group of atheists to see if we can actually get somewhere in debate.

There is no "we" in the sense you intend. You claimed an ability to prove something mathematically that you are quite evidently unable to do. To cover up the sting of that inability you've dragged your critics along on a four-year odyssey of rhetorical nonsense that you inexplicably choose to blame on them.

Getting somewhere in a debate requires you to take intellectual responsibility for it, which you thoroughly choose not to do. You claim the privilege of ignoring whom you will, demanding certain kinds and lengths of responses, and getting all butthurt when things don't go your way.

Grow up.

You're not a master at debate. You're not a great intellectual whose talent was misunderstood and rejected by the established organs of scholarship and knowledge. No, you're just a common practitioner of the same pseudo-intellectual nonsense that every other fringe claimant before you professes. It's not new. It's not effective. It's just evasive hogwash designed to nourish your ego at the expense of your designated opponents.

 

[Loss Leader]

2) It's sparring with a group of atheists to see if we can actually get somewhere in debate.

Your answer betrays more than I think you realize. An argument is not a sparring exercise, it is a crucible. One must be willing to recognize criticism and adapt or abandon one's position. By admitting to sparring, you seem to say that your position is unchangeable. To you, it is a game of somehow keeping your ideas alive in the face of criticism. That's just ... not very good.

 

[Mojo]

2) It's sparring with a group of atheists to see if we can actually get somewhere in debate.

Your answer betrays more than I think you realize. An argument is not a sparring exercise, it is a crucible. One must be willing to recognize criticism and adapt or abandon one's position. By admitting to sparring, you seem to say that your position is unchangeable. To you, it is a game of somehow keeping your ideas alive in the face of criticism. That's just ... not very good.

Jabba is not debating or arguing his case: he's filibustering.

Not only is this not a constructive approach, it's pointless here because we don't have to wait for any kind of vote before drawing conclusions. Additionally, Jabba has made the initial claim and so has to overcome the burden of proof, so delaying tactics hinder nobody but himself. And, of course, it's counterproductive because his transparent delaying tactics and evasions make it look as if even he realises that he can't make his case.

 

[JoeMorgue]

- I hope this doesn't affect your responses. But, if it doesn't, you're probably stuck with me for awhile -- most everyone else is just insulting me these days.

Oh come down off the cross. We've held your hand and treated you with kid's gloves for years. The Mods gave you your own Patented Effective Debate thread.

Don't take people's frustration with your intellectual dishonesty and feelings of argumentative entitlement as insults.

By the time I was 11, God (much less Jesus) wasn't making any sense to me -- and without a God, when I died, that would be it. That really scared me. And, the adults around me couldn't answer my questions or assuage my fear. I didn't want to cease existing for ever and ever.

The universe does not give a single toss what you want Jabba.

But, I kept studying the issue -- being especially interested in consciousness. Consciousness didn't seem to make sense either -- but, there it was.

Very little makes sense when you choose to remain ignorant of it.

When I was 14 I had an epiphany (right or wrong) which I am currently trying to explain. Whatever, it made a big difference in my life -- I no longer feared death (except for the separation from loved ones). For those of us who would fear non-existence (you guys don't seem to), my epiphany (if understood and accepted) should take away that fear and, thereby, greatly influence their actions.

You don't need to explain Jabba. We get it.

"Got scared, found religion." That's it. That's all you did.