Proof of Immortality III

[jond]

jt and caveman,
- Have you given up?

Jabba: Goddless Dave, a poster with whom you have regularly responded, took the time to write a point by point response to your rather lengthy post which you have ignored. Abaddon did as well, but since you always ignore his/her posts it's less of a surprise that you ignored him/her. Why have you ignored these posts? Is it because you know you cannot refute their points? Why not acknowledge that? Seriously, for someone who complains that posters are rude to you, this is utterly abominable behavior.

 

[JayUtah]

Seriously, for someone who complains that posters are rude to you, this is utterly abominable behavior.

Indeed. Jabba's game-playing has long ago grown tedious.

Jabba, you excuse yourself from reading your opponents' posts according to various pretexts such as the posts being too long or challenging, and not having enough time. When you claim that privilege for yourself, what gives you the right to nag your critics after only a single day's delay in answering a question -- let alone one that's already answered? What makes that "effective debate" when there may be a dozen or so responses awaiting your attention from today? What obligates your critics to indulge your laziness and caprice?

Jabba, you excuse yourself from reading your opponents' posts because you suggest they are uncivil or unfriendly. Since few if any of them seem to be moderated away, that excuse fails on its merits. But leaving that aside, if you claim the privilege yourself of ignoring posts that you personally deem unsuitable, what then gives you the right to speculate on the motives of people who ignore you? Given that your critics have presented you with detailed complaints about your own rudeness, what gives you the right to question someone else's decision not to engage you any further and suggest that it may be for any reason other than the ones they have explicitly listed?

Now stop being such a prima donna and engage the debate that is happening, not the one you desperate wish were happening instead.

 

[The Sparrow]

- My reasoning for P(E|H):


Re P(E|H):According to science, I would never exist if
....
The necessary sperm cell (of the sextillion produced by my dad) had not met up with the necessary ovum (of the 500 carried by my mom).
....

Which can be stated for any particular individual banana. (replacing parents with banana flowers)

One of which I ate this morning. ( a banana that is )

 

[sackett]

If you fellers keep tearing strips off Jabba, there won't be anything left of him.

Unless it grows back. As it seems to do.

 

[Loss Leader]

And all of this rests on the "self" being an unchanging and identifiable entity. It is none of those things.

One might as well say that there is an 80% chance that all bloops are purple, with a complementary 20% chance that they're a color other than purple. Then we find out that bloops are "the average speed of cars on I-95."

 

[jond]

And all of this rests on the "self" being an unchanging and identifiable entity. It is none of those things.

One might as well say that there is an 80% chance that all bloops are purple, with a complementary 20% chance that they're a color other than purple. Then we find out that bloops are "the average speed of cars on I-95."

Yeah, well, there's that. Kinda wish someone had brought it up at some point before!

 

[Mojo]

You just pulled a Jabba: You completely ignored the argument and just restated your assertion.

Sorry, I was forgetting that not everyone has necessarily read all of these threads, and I was relying on arguments that Jabbe has himself posted without reposting them myself.

Jabba's existence, as required by his argument, is his observable existence. This requires his body to exist, because his soul is not observable.

Additionally, the nearest Jabba has come to defining the soul, or "immaterial self", in the absence of a body is in a form which requires his body to produce an entity that can be considered to be Jabba. One form he has used is an entity with no characteristics of its own, which only acquires characteristics that distinguish it from any other soul as a result of association with a body, and will have different characteristics when associated with other bodies. The other is his 'bucket-o-souls' concept, under which non-incorporated souls form some sort of combined entity of which individual incorporated souls have no memory. In neither of these scenarios does anything that can be considered to be specifically "Jabba" exist unless his body exists.

 

[Jabba]

Jabba: Goddless Dave, a poster with whom you have regularly responded, took the time to write a point by point response to your rather lengthy post which you have ignored. Abaddon did as well, but since you always ignore his/her posts it's less of a surprise that you ignored him/her. Why have you ignored these posts? Is it because you know you cannot refute their points? Why not acknowledge that? Seriously, for someone who complains that posters are rude to you, this is utterly abominable behavior.

jond,
- I try to answer Dave as much as possible, but this time he gave me numerous points to answer, and the best I can do is probably one or two at a time. Consequently, I put him off for the time being...
- I have 2 or 3 hrs a day to commit to this forum; I use those hours; this is my hobby;and, what you see is the best I can do under the circumstances. The less you say, and the friendlier you are, the more likely it is that your questions and objections will be answered. I only have so much time, and I use it all.

 

[jond]

And yet you had time to write that whole post with all of those points. What do you expect him to do? Seriously Jabba, you are so unprepared to discuss this stuff it's astonishing. Your problems are yours and yours alone. If you can't keep up, you may as well get out.

 

[Jabba]

And yet you had time to write that whole post with all of those points. What do you expect him to do? Seriously Jabba, you are so unprepared to discuss this stuff it's astonishing. Your problems are yours and yours alone. If you can't keep up, you may as well get out.

jond,
- To which post are you referring?

 

[jond]

jond,
- To which post are you referring?

The post that GodlessDave responded to, point guy point. As did Abaddon.

 

[Jabba]

The post that GodlessDave responded to, point guy point. As did Abaddon.

jond,
- I first made that post a few months ago; it was a revision of a previous post; and, that previous post was based upon even previous postings.

 

[jond]

Doesn't matter a bit. If you don't want a point by point commentary, don't post it. Especially in that format. It's that simple. If you can't debate honestly, don't debate.

 

[jt512]

jond,
- I have 2 or 3 hrs a day to commit to this forum; I use those hours; this is my hobby;and, what you see is the best I can do under the circumstances. The less you say, and the friendlier you are, the more likely it is that your questions and objections will be answered. I only have so much time, and I use it all.

It is we who have been attempting to do you a favor by criticizing your arguments. Yet you actually have the gall to act as if it is you who is doing us the favor by replying.

Your arrogance is astounding in light of the stupidity of your arguments, the irrationality of your beliefs, and your inability to comprehend counterarguments that have been explained to you ad nauseum.

 

[jond]

If my parents hadn't met, I wouldn't exist. The question is so what? If I had never existed, no one would no any different, and no one would have any reason to care. At the scale of the universe, my existence or lack thereof isn't even a blip on radar.

However, now that I do exist, there would be consequences if I ceased to exist tomorrow. Not huge, but there are a handful of people around the world who might miss my music, and my wife, sons and the rest of my family would care, but the universe? Not a bit.

Jabba, on the other hand, appears to insist that his existence is essential to the universe.

 

[godless dave]

jond,
- I first made that post a few months ago; it was a revision of a previous post; and, that previous post was based upon even previous postings.

And the responses I made to it were similar to previous responses I've made to previous versions.

How about responding to my responses this time?

 

[Loss Leader]

jond,
- I first made that post a few months ago; it was a revision of a previous post; and, that previous post was based upon even previous postings.

Jabba:

Here's a question that hasn't been asked in a while: What practical difference does it make if your argument were true? If souls existed and were assigned to bodies who received them like radios, how would that influence any action anybody takes ever?

 

[JayUtah]

I have 2 or 3 hrs a day to commit to this forum; I use those hours; this is my hobby;and, what you see is the best I can do under the circumstances. The less you say, and the friendlier you are, the more likely it is that your questions and objections will be answered. I only have so much time, and I use it all.

What part of "stop being such a prima donna" was difficult for you to understand? 2-3 hours? That's about twice as much as I have to devote to this forum. You seem to spend your time spinning your wheels. Do better.

Don't tell me how much to write. You write walls of repetitious screed, while people take the time to give you detailed responses that you ignore. It's very rude of you to suggest that only brief comments ought to be made in response to your claims.

We are not your friends. We are your critics. You posted your theory here knowing full well what the skeptical response would be. You have a right to expect civility. You do not have a right to expect friendship. If you want kindly appreciation, go elsewhere.

Now I'll say it again -- stop behaving like a spoiled child. Show some intellectual backbone and address your critics.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I have 2 or 3 hrs a day to commit to this forum; I use those hours; this is my hobby;and, what you see is the best I can do under the circumstances.

Hogwash. You've spent so much time stalling, playing semantics, stalling, refining your ludicrous "Rules for Effective Debate," stalling, fringe resetting, stalling, crafting your befuddled old man routine, stalling, and stalling that the claim you just don't have time to even begin to address your critics is yet another insufferably insulting stall from you.

STOP STALLING. Answering a few questions would take you no more time than yet another carefully crafted fringe reset.

 

[Pixel42]

I have 2 or 3 hrs a day to commit to this forum; I use those hours; this is my hobby;

Repeating the same faulty logic and broken arguments over and over again whilst ignoring all attempts to explain your errors because you either can't be bothered to read them or are incapable of understanding them is not a hobby, it's an illness. Find something better to do with your time.