Private militias are criminal gangs.

[Cobalt]

Just the ones who use their weapons in committing a crime, any felony and one (current) misdemeanor. In this case, they were already outside the law in violation of RCW 38.40.120.

Your interpretation of the law is incorrect, as has been shown to you.

The Murrah bombing and a few bank robberies and one home invasion (that we know of) so far. I'll have to do some googling to find the links to the bank robberies they committed here in WA. It's been a few years.

I tingle with anticipation in my nether regions.

And knock off the ad homs. I am a soldier still and still sworn to defend the constituion against scum like the militias.

What this really means is:
"I can say nasty things about other people, but nobody can say anything bad about me."

Grow some thicker skin, hoss.

Militia leaders lie. It's their profession. Not a one of them that I have met is sane or honest.

I met a person of (age, race, gender) and they ****in' lied to me! They're rat scum, every single person of that (age, race, gender)! Goddamn maggots!

Broad brushes are fun huh?

All militia members are engaged in an unlawful activity and are conspiring to commit a felony.

Saying it over and over won't make it true.

I have not committed a felony with any of my guns. Most gun owners do not. It is merely a matter of time before the Rushblob or Hannity or Beck or some such nutjob says the right words that send some idiot over the edge and then the blood flows. Happened a couple times already since the election. The kind of idiot who would join a private militia is more inclined than a grown-up to act out even if he is not in a militia. Being in a militia allows those sociopaths to think that they are something other than punks. Bad idea.

The kind of idiot who packs at political events, such as yourself?

Actually, I am not cowering in fear. That's what I have firearms for.

No, you're really just raging over the internet.

Actually, we know that in the Washington State case, they are.

You're not proving anything here. You're borin' the crap outta me.

Minutemen. They should all be locked up for facilitation before the fact of murder.

Let's lock up everyone who has a knife. God forbid they stab someone.

There is nothing childish about not wanting Nazi scum to exist.

But there's something odd about seeing it where it isn't.

I do not want to see that sort of animals strutting about in my country with anything more dangerous than a cheeseburger in their hands.

And I don't like seeing geriatric fools who e-rage strutting about in my country with anything more dangerous than a ball of yarn, but damn those rights people have and all.
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The police are working on it. And don't compare me to the twoofers. Some of them are Nazis and militia wankers.

Yeah, that's rather unfair to twoofers. Sometimes those people can come back to reality.

The militia movement is all about being batcrap crazy xenophobic and racist.

Marvelous use of evidence. Clearly, I am swayed.

Get a clue. Twoofers are being recruited by the same whackjobs behind the militias. Why do you think Alex Jones got onto the Waco thing?
As I come across information relevant to the militia's attempts to infiltrate the Army, I do pass that information along.

And I'm sure they listen with the utmost intent.

Have you forgotten about the Viper Militia and the Oklahoma Constitutional Militia? Stop defending the indefensible.

Someone handled this better already.

 

[dudalb]

You can make as valid an argument for rounding up members of the more violent Enviormental groups like Earth First and the Animal Liberation Front, not to mention some of the more militant left/anarchist groups, as you can for rounding up the miltias.
Make no mistake, I am no fan of the militias at all, and if they use violence or indulge in serious threat of violence to intimidate (something different then just mouthing off in rants) then throw the freaking book at them. But you can't just make arbitrary arrests because someone is a member of a organization.Even members of openly criminal groups like the Mafia and the KKK can't be arrested unless there are Specific charges against them.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

leftysergeant, are you from Minority Report? coz precogs dont exactly exist here.

 

[dudalb]

All militia members are engaged in an unlawful activity and are conspiring to commit a felony.

Wrong,wrong,wrong.
I actually agree that the miltias are mainly about paranoia, bigotry,and are barcrap craziness,but in this country you have to prove specific crimes agains specific individuals,not just holding membership in an organization. Even members of openly criminal groups like the Mafia have to be charged with specific crimes.

 

[WildCat]

So killing millions of people is OK if it is done in the name of the "political wave of the future"?

Pathetic. Just Pathetic.

You gotta break afew eggs to make an omelete.

Likewise, you have to kill a few tens of millions of people to create your communist utopia.

So you see, Joe Stalin was no worse than anyone who has made an omelete.

 

[Region Rat]

You gotta break afew eggs to make an omelete.

Likewise, you have to kill a few tens of millions of people to create your communist utopia.

So you see, Joe Stalin was no worse than anyone who has made an omelete.

They deserved it, those nutjob dirtbag egg slimeball wankers.

 

[GeeMack]

They deserved it, those nutjob dirtbag egg slimeball wankers.

Ahhhh. At last the voice of reason!

 

[mike3]

What this really means is:
"I can say nasty things about other people, but nobody can say anything bad about me."

Grow some thicker skin, hoss.

What happens if someone is saying nasty things about others, but I were to refuse to say nasty things back to that person? Would I be bad? I never get why it's okay to wrong someone back when they wrong you. Two wrongs do not create a right.

Also, where's he saying nasty things to people on this forum? Or do you mean him calling militias "scum" and all that? What do you think of militias, even if leftysergeant's "legal" argument is wrong? Do you approve of them or disapprove? If disapprove, then what are they other than "scum"? Just unlikable, but not so much as to necessitate that, or what?

(This isn't a defense of "leftysergeant", it's just something I want to know and understand)

And does this mean you don't like old people?:

And I don't like seeing geriatric fools who e-rage strutting about in my country with anything more dangerous than a ball of yarn, but damn those rights people have and all.
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And what kind of damage do you think he could do just by throwing a lot of crap over some stupid net forum?

 

[Cobalt]

What happens if someone is saying nasty things about others, but I were to refuse to say nasty things back to that person? Would I be bad? I never get why it's okay to wrong someone back when they wrong you. Two wrongs do not create a right.

Then kudos to you.

Also, where's he saying nasty things to people on this forum? Or do you mean him calling militias "scum" and all that?

You must be new to the politics section. He calls everything and everyone he doesn't like some derogatory term.

What do you think of militias, even if leftysergeant's "legal" argument is wrong? Do you approve of them or disapprove? If disapprove, then what are they other than "scum"? Just unlikable, but not so much as to necessitate that, or what?

(This isn't a defense of "leftysergeant", it's just something I want to know and understand)

Couldn't care about them any less, unless they were bothering me.

And does this mean you don't like old people?:

Hate 'em. Lets jail 'em all before they do something like crash because they shouldn't be driving. (sarcasm smiley here)

And what kind of damage do you think he could do just by throwing a lot of crap over some stupid net forum?

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with lefty. Lefty saw people at two different events wearing green shirts as an indication of their involvement in a conspiracy.

Lefty also packs heat at political rallies. And shouts at people who disagree with him politically.
I'm not gonna go digging up the threads, I'm in the middle of a SF4 casual right now. Perhaps later though.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Politics: Where Logic and Reason go to die.

 

[leftysergeant]

The militias need to be put down for the same reason we don't allow known schizos to own firearms.

They are exactly the same sort of threat to human existence.

 

[Kegeshook]

Private militias are armed military groups that are composed of private citizens and not recognized by federal or state governments. Private militias have been formed by individuals in America since the colonial period. In fact, the Revolutionary War against England was fought in part by armies comprising not professional soldiers but ordinary male citizens.

Approximately half the states maintain laws regulating private militias. Generally, these laws prohibit the parading and exercising of armed private militias in public, but do not forbid the formation of private militias.

Read more: Second Amendment - Private Militias - Private, Militias, Government, Law, Freemen, Court, Public, and Against http://law.jrank.org/pages/10067/Second-Amendment-PRIVATE-MILITIAS.html#ixzz0vCZNyILb

 

[Pardalis]

The militias need to be put down for the same reason we don't allow known schizos to own firearms.

They are exactly the same sort of threat to human existence.

Didn't you once say you had like 10,000 rounds of amunitions in your garage?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5046436&postcount=7

Wouldn't this make you a one-man militia?

 

[dudalb]

Lefty is making me have to defend the Miltia Morons...and I really Hate that.

 

[leftysergeant]

leftysergeant, are you from Minority Report? coz precogs dont exactly exist here.

They are outside the law already, in this state, just being a militia. (RCW 38.40.120) They formed the militias for an unlawful purpose. What is with the "precog" crap?

The murders are part of the reason they are illegal and why I say it should be a felony rather than a misdemeanor.

No country that allows the existence of private militias has ever derived any benefit from it. Germany in 1933 and Somalia today are good examples of why they need to be wiped out.

 

[Pardalis]

they need to be wiped out.

How exactly do you propose they would have to be "wiped out"?

 

[leftysergeant]

How exactly do you propose they would have to be "wiped out"?

Arrest their leaders and confiscate their weapons and militarily useful property. If they commit a crime as part of a militia operation, it should be an aggravating consideration at sentencing. In the home invasion case, it should make the difference between life without parole and a death sentence.

Further, it seems to me that it is time to forum an actual, legal militia in which membership is mandatory for anyone who owns a weapon. Then let some idiot like Trochmann stand up and say that he is in charge in an emergency. He would immediately be about 130 grains heavier.

 

[Pardalis]

He would immediately be about 130 grains heavier.

Does it help you feel more masculine when you say things like that?

 

[applecorped]

Arrest their leaders and confiscate their weapons and militarily useful property. If they commit a crime as part of a militia operation, it should be an aggravating consideration at sentencing. In the home invasion case, it should make the difference between life without parole and a death sentence.

Further, it seems to me that it is time to forum an actual, legal militia in which membership is mandatory for anyone who owns a weapon. Then let some idiot like Trochmann stand up and say that he is in charge in an emergency. He would immediately be about 130 grains heavier.

Pathetic, as usual.

 

[GeeMack]

Arrest their leaders and confiscate their weapons and militarily useful property. If they commit a crime as part of a militia operation, it should be an aggravating consideration at sentencing. In the home invasion case, it should make the difference between life without parole and a death sentence.

You've been busted in that lie, Lefty. And regardless of how you continue to lie about it, that home invasion was a robbery and not part of a militia operation. It was perpetrated by a few people who were so whacked out that even the militia kicked them out. Regardless of your insistence on lying about it. Get it?

Further, it seems to me that it is time to forum an actual, legal militia in which membership is mandatory for anyone who owns a weapon.

So you're advocating starting a militia. Interesting. Does it concern you that there are at least a few irrational gun owners out there who think it's acceptable behavior to machine gun down militia people or drag them off to prison for doing nothing illegal? What do you think about people like that? Dangerous, yes?

Then let some idiot like Trochmann stand up and say that he is in charge in an emergency. He would immediately be about 130 grains heavier.

And what do you suppose the several thousand people in the gun club I belong to would do if someone like that jumped up and declared themselves in charge in an emergency? Salute and holler, "Yes, sir?" I doubt it. I'm pretty sure the reaction would be about the same if the guy trying to take the reigns was some hot headed soldier who avoids backing his claims with any more than mouthing off, has demonstrated that he's too much of a wimp to do any more than cry and whine on an Internet forum instead of actually calling the FBI about a fantasized crime, and has a bad habit of lying to support his paranoid delusion. Recognize anyone there, Lefty?

Oh, and most people aren't as scared as you are. Just relax, Lefty. There are lots of reasonable, level headed, brave people out here, people who aren't pussies, who will be available to come to your rescue if those big bad scary militia people start to cause trouble.

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