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Private militias are criminal gangs.

Repeating this tired sentiment of yours as you do still doesn't make it true.

The best test of a prophesy is that it should come to pass.

Some of the most heinous crimes of the last thirty years have been committed by members of militias.

Al Qaeda is an international militia.
 
we are very very lucky we have not had any unified insurrections by the militias. they could really cause a major problem if they wanted to.

hell......300 men with AR-15's could lead a coup and take over a state govt.

3,000 men with semi-auto rifles could declare a large piece of land independent from the USA.
 
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The militias claim to have kicked them out. I have no reason to trust their word on that. They lie and confabulate a lot. Not many of them are mentally well.


So you're prepared to offer evidence to support that claim, aren't you? Or maybe it's just something a bunch of panic mongers have invented in their heads to panic about. Don't you think, Lefty?

The militias exist, in most cases, to do violence should they decide that the government has gone too far. Given that most of the leaders are batcrap crazy and/or unqualified to lead a military formation useful to a civilized nation, just being a member should be worth jail time.


And Satan worshipers, in most cases, want Satan to do their bidding if they decide they should need his help. So while we're arresting people for wanting something, let's arrest all those Satan worshipers, too. You know if they get Satan on board and start doing all those evil Satan things, it could turn out a lot worse than a handful of social outcasts running around playing army in the woods. Don't you think, Lefty?

Some of the most heinous crimes of the last thirty years have been committed by members of militias.


Some of the most heinous crimes of the last thirty years have been committed by people who own guns. So don't you agree that we should be hauling them off to prisons for owning guns? I mean, after all, people who own guns might commit heinous crimes. No reason to wait until after someone commits a crime to arrest them, don't you think? Eh, Lefty? Don't you think? :D
 
Some of the most heinous crimes of the last thirty years have been committed by people who own guns. So don't you agree that we should be hauling them off to prisons for owning guns? I mean, after all, people who own guns might commit heinous crimes. No reason to wait until after someone commits a crime to arrest them, don't you think? Eh, Lefty? Don't you think? :D
people who own guns are more likely to form or join militias :p
 
So you're prepared to offer evidence to support that claim, aren't you? Or maybe it's just something a bunch of panic mongers have invented in their heads to panic about. Don't you think, Lefty?

Prove that they did throw the dirtbags out before they acted. McVeigh and Trochmann were still running in the same circles when he blew the Murrah Building. It is highly likely that McVeigh took his cue from Trochmann, and that Trochmann was running cover for him to keep the AFT and FBI watching the wrong people.

And Satan worshipers, in most cases, want Satan to do their bidding if they decide they should need his help. So while we're arresting people for wanting something, let's arrest all those Satan worshipers, too. You know if they get Satan on board and start doing all those evil Satan things, it could turn out a lot worse than a handful of social outcasts running around playing army in the woods. Don't you think, Lefty?

There is nothing to suggest that.




Some of the most heinous crimes of the last thirty years have been committed by people who own guns. So don't you agree that we should be hauling them off to prisons for owning guns?

Read The Turner Diaries. The white nationalists need us to be disarmed and frightened of each other and the government.

You really need to think this thing through.
 
The best test of a prophesy is that it should come to pass.

Some of the most heinous crimes of the last thirty years have been committed by members of militias.

Al Qaeda is an international militia.


Your non sequitur aside, you still haven't provided evidence that private militias are illegal by federal law.
 
Prove that they did throw the dirtbags out before they acted.


No. You prove that they were members of a militia and someone was lying about throwing them out. You're the one making a claim. You're the one who seems to be in a scared panic here. You're the one who wants to put a whole batch of people in prison because you think they're dangerous.

McVeigh and Trochmann were still running in the same circles when he blew the Murrah Building. It is highly likely that McVeigh took his cue from Trochmann, and that Trochmann was running cover for him to keep the AFT and FBI watching the wrong people.


So you're guessing again. Funny that you're so scared of all these people based on nothing but a hunch. But sure, you start making the list of all the people you think should be tossed in jail based on your hunch. Take it to your state's attorney or the FBI. I'm sure they'll consider your request and put you on a priority list.

There is nothing to suggest that.


So you don't know any more about Satan worshipers than you do about those whacko loon gun totin' ex-members of militias. Okay, got ya.

Read The Turner Diaries. The white nationalists need us to be disarmed and frightened of each other and the government.

You really need to think this thing through.


No. I don't need to think it through because I'm not the one who's in a panic running scared like a little girl.
 
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No. You prove that they were members of a militia and someone was lying about throwing them out. You're the one making a claim. You're the one who seems to be in a scared panic here. You're the one who wants to put a whole batch of people in prison because you think they're dangerous.

When they start doing home invasions and cold-blooded murders, I think that settles the fact that they are dangerous domsetic terrorists.

So you don't know any more about Satan worshipers than you do about those whacko loon gun totin' ex-members of militias.

Care to document any large-scale terrorist activities by Satanists?

And we have only the word of the militia groups that ALL of these fools were thrown out. Their record-keeping is not all that great and they do have reasons to lie. They are training people to do that sort of thing.
 
When they start doing home invasions and cold-blooded murders, I think that settles the fact that they are dangerous domsetic terrorists.

I can think of no group for which that statement wouldn't be true. Can you?


Still waiting for evidence of private militias being illegal, by the way.
 
I can think of no group for which that statement wouldn't be true. Can you?

I don't know of that many that do commit organized violence. Somebody suggested that Satanists are a major threat in this sense. Citation needed.


Still waiting for evidence of private militias being illegal, by the way.

In Washington State, it is covered in RCW 38.40.120.
 
When they start doing home invasions and cold-blooded murders, I think that settles the fact that they are dangerous domsetic terrorists.


They, the people that did the home invasion that has you all scared like a little girl, that particular "they" were gun owners, Lefty. They were ex-militia. So do you think all the gun owners should be tossed in prison. They're whacko lunatics and a danger to everyone? After all, sometimes a gun owner croaks someone. Do you think it should be illegal to get thrown out of a militia? After all, some folks who got thrown out of a militia did a violent home invasion. You're making crap up, Lefty. You know you are. :rolleyes:

Care to document any large-scale terrorist activities by Satanists?


Care to document any large scale terrorist activities by these militias you're in such a hurry to put in prison because they have you scared like a little girl? :D

And we have only the word of the militia groups that ALL of these fools were thrown out. Their record-keeping is not all that great and they do have reasons to lie. They are training people to do that sort of thing.


And we only have the word of... uh... yes just little old you that they weren't thrown out. And they don't seem to be scared of militias. And you do. So maybe you have more reason than they to make crap up. :p
 
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They, the people that did the home invasion that has you all scared like a little girl, that particular "they" were gun owners, Lefty. They were ex-militia.[/QUOKE]

There is no proof that their ties were severed. The militia may have fallen apart, but they are still criminals for having been in a private militiia in this state.

So do you think all the gun owners should be tossed in prison.

Just the ones who use their weapons in committing a crime, any felony and one (current) misdemeanor. In this case, they were already outside the law in violation of RCW 38.40.120.

They're whacko lunatics and a danger to everyone? After all, sometimes a gun owner croaks someone. Do you think it should be illegal to get thrown out of a militia?

It's already illegal for them to have been in a militia other than the State Guard.

Care to document any large scale terrorist activities by these militias you're in such a hurry to put in prison because they have you scared like a little girl?

The Murrah bombing and a few bank robberies and one home invasion (that we know of) so far. I'll have to do some googling to find the links to the bank robberies they committed here in WA. It's been a few years.

And we only have the word of... uh... yes just little old you that they weren't thrown out. And they don't seem to be scared of militias. And you do. So maybe you have more reason than they to make crap up. :p

The militiias have a strong motive to lie. They would, otherwise, be complicite in two murders that will get you the death sentence in this state. So far, the state has limited resources to go after the militia scum as long as they don't do anything egregious. This may be what it takes to put them above the threshold. Damned right the maggots would lie about their membership.

And knock off the ad homs. I am a soldier still and still sworn to defend the constituion against scum like the militias.
 
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There is no proof that their ties were severed. The militia may have fallen apart, but they are still criminals for having been in a private militiia in this state.


Okay, so you're moving the goalposts again. You must realize that's as dishonest as flat out lying. Heck of a way to move a discussion forward, Lefty.

Just the ones who use their weapons in committing a crime, any felony and one (current) misdemeanor. In this case, they were already outside the law in violation of RCW 38.40.120.


So all members of militias ought to be dragged off to the gulag, but only gun owners who use them to commit crimes should be arrested? Why shouldn't the same logic apply? Why shouldn't all gun owners be tossed in prison? After all, we know gun owners are responsible for the home invasion that's got you cowering in fear, but we don't know they were militia members, now do we? And I'm still curious about why you're scared of militias like a little kid is scared of spiders.

It's already illegal for them to have been in a militia other than the State Guard.


And instead of calling the police or the FBI, you'll take the same action as one of those 23 year old social misfits, living in his mother's basement, screaming on the Internet about an imagined conspiracy to take down the WTC on 9/11 in 2001? Call the damned police already, Lefty, then come back here and tell us how soon they'll be heading out to arrest all those big scary militia folks. Some people like Truthers just don't have the guts to do any more than bitch and moan on the Internet, eh?

The Murrah bombing and a few bank robberies and one home invasion (that we know of) so far. I'll have to do some googling to find the links to the bank robberies they committed here in WA. It's been a few years.


The question you tried so desperately to avoid answering was this: Care to document any large scale terrorist activities by these militias you're in such a hurry to put in prison because they have you scared like a little girl? The Murrah Building was bombed by a couple of individuals who were apparently "militia movement sympathizers". Big damage, yes. Large scale terrorist activities by a militia? Hardly. Oh, and that home invasion you keep harping about? A few nuts who were so off the rails that they got kicked out of a militia organization. The home invasion, ugly as it was, couldn't be defined as a large scale terrorist activity by any sane, intelligent person. It was a robbery, done by some whacked out gun owners, your persistent arguments from incredulity and ignorance notwithstanding.

The militiias have a strong motive to lie. They would, otherwise, be complicite in two murders that will get you the death sentence in this state. So far, the state has limited resources to go after the militia scum as long as they don't do anything egregious. This may be what it takes to put them above the threshold. Damned right the maggots would lie about their membership.


This was a horrible robbery done by what seems to be three xenophobic gun nuts who were ex-militia members. They were probably also ex-high school students and ex-members of who knows what kinds of clubs, churches, and social organizations. Your continued argument that that there's a meaningful cause-and-effect because they're ex-militia seems to be based on some sort of desperate compulsion and fear.

And knock off the ad homs. I am a soldier still and still sworn to defend the constituion against scum like the militias.


So in order to defend the US constitution you'll pursue the same strategy as a 9/11 Truther, living in his mother's basement, complaining on the Internet, but without the guts to even call the police and make a report to the FBI? Oh, if only all the soldiers in our military were as big and bad and brave as a Truther. :p
 
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I don't know of that many that do commit organized violence. Somebody suggested that Satanists are a major threat in this sense. Citation needed.

Another non sequitur, and evasion noted. You proposed a hypothetical as if it somehow condemned all private militias a priori. It didn't. That isn't how things work in the Land of the Free. You might want to brush up on your Constitution.

In Washington State, it is covered in RCW 38.40.120.

(1) That's not a federal law, so it is irrelevant to your claim private militias are illegal at the federal level.
(2) As has already been shown to you, RCW 38.40.120 falls short of outlawing private militias. It outlaws certain behavior that you may associate with private militias, but that is all.
 
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Okay, so you're moving the goalposts again. You must realize that's as dishonest as flat out lying. Heck of a way to move a discussion forward, Lefty.

Militia leaders lie. It's their profession. Not a one of them that I have met is sane or honest.

So all members of militias ought to be dragged off to the gulag, but only gun owners who use them to commit crimes should be arrested? Why shouldn't the same logic apply?

All militia members are engaged in an unlawful activity and are conspiring to commit a felony.

Why shouldn't all gun owners be tossed in prison.

I have not committed a felony with any of my guns. Most gun owners do not. It is merely a matter of time before the Rushblob or Hannity or Beck or some such nutjob says the right words that send some idiot over the edge and then the blood flows. Happened a couple times already since the election. The kind of idiot who would join a private militia is more inclined than a grown-up to act out even if he is not in a militia. Being in a militia allows those sociopaths to think that they are something other than punks. Bad idea.

After all, we know gun owners are responsible for the home invasion that's got you cowering in fear,...

Actually, I am not cowering in fear. That's what I have firearms for.
... but we don't know they were militia members, now do we?

Actually, we know that in the Washington State case, they are. Minutemen. They should all be locked up for facilitation before the fact of murder.

And I'm still curious about why you're scared of militias like a little kid is scared of spiders.

There is nothing childish about not wanting Nazi scum to exist. How much better would the world today be had someoone decided that it was time to machinegun those fools at the Feldherrenhalle instead of just using bolt action rifles on them? And maybe it would have been better for the world had the trade unionists ganged up and killed the SA dirtbags.

I do not want to see that sort of animals strutting about in my country with anything more dangerous than a cheeseburger in their hands.




And instead of calling the police or the FBI, you'll take the same action as one of those 23 year old social misfits, living in his mother's basement, screaming on the Internet about an imagined conspiracy to take down the WTC on 9/11 in 2001? Call the damned police already, Lefty, then come back here and tell us how soon they'll be heading out to arrest all those big scary militia folks. Some people like Truthers just don't have the guts to do any more than bitch and moan on the Internet, eh?

The police are working on it. And don't compare me to the twoofers. Some of them are Nazis and militia wankers.

This was a horrible robbery done by what seems to be three xenophobic gun nuts who were ex-militia members. They were probably also ex-high school students and ex-members of who knows what kinds of clubs, churches, and social organizations. Your continued argument that that there's a meaningful cause-and-effect because they're ex-militia seems to be based on some sort of desperate compulsion and fear.

The militia movement is all about being batcrap crazy xenophobic and racist.




So in order to defend the US constitution you'll pursue the same strategy as a 9/11 Truther, living in his mother's basement, complaining on the Internet, but without the guts to even call the police and make a report to the FBI? Oh, if only all the soldiers in our military were as big and bad and brave as a Truther. :p

Get a clue. Twoofers are being recruited by the same whackjobs behind the militias. Why do you think Alex Jones got onto the Waco thing?
As I come across information relevant to the militia's attempts to infiltrate the Army, I do pass that information along.

Have you forgotten about the Viper Militia and the Oklahoma Constitutional Militia? Stop defending the indefensible.
 
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Militia leaders lie. It's their profession. Not a one of them that I have met is sane or honest.


And that makes it okay for you to lie? Good sound logic in your argument there. :D

All militia members are engaged in an unlawful activity and are conspiring to commit a felony.


Yet after all these people asking you all these time to support your claim with something other than your arguments from incredulity and ignorance, you won't. Or is it that you can't?

I have not committed a felony with any of my guns. Most gun owners do not. It is merely a matter of time before the Rushblob or Hannity or Beck or some such nutjob says the right words that send some idiot over the edge and then the blood flows. Happened a couple times already since the election. The kind of idiot who would join a private militia is more inclined than a grown-up to act out even if he is not in a militia. Being in a militia allows those sociopaths to think that they are something other than punks. Bad idea.


Most militia members have not committed a felony, with a gun or otherwise. Oh, and it is merely a matter of time before the Rushblob or Hannity or Beck or some such nutjob says the right words that send some idiot gun owner over the edge and then the blood flows. The kind of idiot who would own a gun is more inclined to shoot up a bunch of innocent people than someone who doesn't own a gun even if he is not in a militia. But you want the militia members rounded up and hauled off to the gulag because some people are pussies who aren't rational about their own fears, but gun owners are okay right up until they shoot someone.

Actually, I am not cowering in fear. That's what I have firearms for.


So if you're not scared, why all the fuss? Or maybe your argument here is another lie. :p

Actually, we know that in the Washington State case, they are. Minutemen. They should all be locked up for facilitation before the fact of murder.


... as should all gun owners, right? Oh that's right, you don't have the same irrational fear of gun owners.

There is nothing childish about not wanting Nazi scum to exist. How much better would the world today be had someoone decided that it was time to machinegun those fools at the Feldherrenhalle instead of just using bolt action rifles on them? And maybe it would have been better for the world had the trade unionists ganged up and killed the SA dirtbags.

I do not want to see that sort of animals strutting about in my country with anything more dangerous than a cheeseburger in their hands.


You sure seem to have a penchant for wanting to see people machine gunned. As a safe, responsible gun owner, I have a lot of concern for the potentially dangerous people who are so vocal about their desire to put people in gulags or machine gun people down.

The police are working on it. And don't compare me to the twoofers. Some of them are Nazis and militia wankers.


Some of them? Pretty much all of them bitch and moan on the Internet instead of calling the police or FBI. It's pretty clear that comparing the Truthers' argument to yours is perfectly valid.

The militia movement is all about being batcrap crazy xenophobic and racist.


And without guns they'd be a pretty harmless lot, now wouldn't they?

Get a clue. Twoofers are being recruited by the same whackjobs behind the militias. Why do you think Alex Jones got onto the Waco thing?
As I come across information relevant to the militia's attempts to infiltrate the Army, I do pass that information along.

Have you forgotten about the Viper Militia and the Oklahoma Constitutional Militia? Stop defending the indefensible.


I'm not defending anything except the right of the people in the United States to peaceably assemble. Too bad there are so many pussies out there who live in such fear of things they don't understand that they'd have innocent people hauled off to the gulag and who find pleasure in the idea of people being machine gunned down. Now maybe there's something you should go on a rampage about, Lefty. :boggled:
 

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