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Presidential Debates

Tony Stark said:
Those were all rigged. Obviously it is the self selecting online polls that allow people to vote as many times as they want that we should pay attention to.

And Twitter hashtags.
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It is too bad that Crybaby Trump has been bitching so much about illegal immigration, otherwise his good buddy Putin could send a few million of his Russian operatives over here to swing the election for Trump.

After all, a rigged election is about the only way that Crybaby Trump could ever win anything that requires popular support as opposed to his usual method of getting support by flashing sexy women and wads of cash to his lackeys.
 
aleCcowaN said:
The fact is that, in spite of that Trumptard word, there are many educated people who are able to acknowledge Clinton won, who also can't stand Clinton for a variety of reasons and who finally are going to vote Trump. And they are the same people, not three different groups like some would like to believe.
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I think it's all about how many people, in critical places, get motivated to vote against Trump. A remarkable number seem immune to outrage. Too hooked on religion and sex and TV? Your guess is as good as mine.
 
aleCcowaN said:
Don't pay so much attention to that. And mainly, don't think them as showing any turn.

Short guide for debate polls:

  • Only select polls done via phone or personal interview
  • Only select polls on likely voters
  • Only select polls that gave margin of error and not margin of credibility.
  • Don't look for who won, look for how many declare they may change their vote as a consequence of that debate.
  • Always pay attention to education an age -ignore income- and compare the advantage of the winner with general polls on the same groups, before drawing any conclusion.
The fact is that, in spite of that Trumptard word, there are many educated people who are able to acknowledge Clinton won, who also can't stand Clinton for a variety of reasons and who finally are going to vote Trump. And they are the same people, not three different groups like some would like to believe.
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I don't think anyone's offering up the polls on Who Won the Debate as indication of a trend in the voting polls. Rather, that there's been a lot of partisan noise on Trump's site, the All Trump 24/7 Network*, and by partisan trolls on this forum about how Trump must've won the debates because all the on line polls say so.

*Even Fox hadn't gotten their spin orders in the late evening after the debate and they were almost unanimous (Krauthammer being the only one who disagreed, but he called it "a draw") that Clinton outpointed him, bigly. By the early morning shows they got their act together and started spinning how he mopped the floor with her.


By the way, the LATimes poll, if they follow their usual pattern, does not react immediately. When he's had his worst moments, it's actually gone up in his favor, almost like his supporters rally around him. The independents seem to take over a few days later. Let's see if this holds the pattern. If so, expect her to only eat into his lead in that one around 01 Oct.
 
Foolmewunz said:
I don't think anyone's offering up the polls on Who Won the Debate as indication of a trend in the voting polls. Rather, that there's been a lot of partisan noise on Trump's site, the All Trump 24/7 Network*, and by partisan trolls on this forum about how Trump must've won the debates because all the on line polls say so.

*Even Fox hadn't gotten their spin orders in the late evening after the debate and they were almost unanimous (Krauthammer being the only one who disagreed, but he called it "a draw") that Clinton outpointed him, bigly. By the early morning shows they got their act together and started spinning how he mopped the floor with her.
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Fox News VP reminds staff online debate polls 'do not meet our editorial standards'
 
Crossbow said:
It sure is nice to see the cry bay Trumptards bitching and complaining about the awful format of the debate last night while at the same time crowing about wonderfully Trump did at the debate last night.

And it will be even nicer to see in the weeks to come as Trump continues to be hammered down like the stupid, greedy, liar that he is.
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+ half a dozen more posts of that kind over a whole day. How come? Oh:

Crossbow said:
I expect that Trump will not show for the debates, but instead he will try to do something that he thinks is very clever.

Such as showing Trump several Hillary clips and then having respond to them for an houjr or so. Trump will then say something 'Believe me! This new format is so much better than the traditional format.'.
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:cry1

;):rolleyes:
 
CapelDodger said:
I think it's all about how many people, in critical places, get motivated to vote against Trump. A remarkable number seem immune to outrage. Too hooked on religion and sex and TV? Your guess is as good as mine.
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My guess is that, as an average, people in the USA think of having a statesman, well prepared, powerful yet compassionate man as a president is highly important, but having none of it is not that important, as they trust in the inner strength of their political institutions to compensate for that.

So, for many, voting Trump and see what happens is not such a risk. More if they have a history of party affiliation, hate Clinton's guts or don't think cowgirls exist.

My secondary guess is that many "Americans" feel their country is losing its leading role, and they have the fantasy Trump will stop China. In this case, they are up for quite the surprise.
 
Childlike Empress said:
+ half a dozen more posts of that kind over a whole day. How come? Oh:
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Well, if you do not like my postings, then do yourself a favor and do not read my postings.

Alternately, you can make use of the 'Ignore Tool' if my postings are so terribly odious for you.

:cry1

;):rolleyes:
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And just in case it escaped your keen eye for detail, there already is some serious talk among the Trump boosters about having their man skip the next two debates.
 
Foolmewunz said:
By the way, the LATimes poll, if they follow their usual pattern, does not react immediately. When he's had his worst moments, it's actually gone up in his favor, almost like his supporters rally around him. The independents seem to take over a few days later. Let's see if this holds the pattern. If so, expect her to only eat into his lead in that one around 01 Oct.
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About Dornsife and other permanent self reporting polls without change of sample, you have to take a look to the daily number N. Also, ought to their methodology, compare each value -including N- with the one a week before, not yesterday. That poll is now saying today that Trump's support didn't change in two weeks, while Clinton's rose a few tenths. In six days we'll know well enough, as from the 3,000 people most probably >90% watched the debate, which is why these polls are to be taken with a block of salt.
 
aleCcowaN said:
My guess is that, as an average, people in the USA think of having a statesman, well prepared, powerful yet compassionate man as a president is highly important, but having none of it is not that important, as they trust in the inner strength of their political institutions to compensate for that.

So, for many, voting Trump and see what happens is not such a risk. More if they have a history of party affiliation, hate Clinton's guts or don't think cowgirls exist.

My secondary guess is that many "Americans" feel their country is losing its leading role, and they have the fantasy Trump will stop China. In this case, they are up for quite the surprise.
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I know one fellow who says the debt Trump owes China will force him to invade them, "Like blowing up the credit card companies in 'Fight Club.'"
 
cantonear1968 said:
What's interesting about this article is it mentions Brian Kilmeade using the unscientific poll Wednesday morning and how Trump won the debate. Yet I listened to his show on Tuesday morning and he was unambiguously calling it a Trump defeat. Pretty much what everyone else said: looked good for 20 minutes and then lost it.
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That's when they were seeing the four lights. Now they've been told there are five lights and that's what they're seeing instead.
 
Stacko said:
We now have four scientific polls on who won the debate:

Morning Consult: Clinton +23
YouGov: Clinton +27
CNN: Clinton +35
PPP: Clinton +11

CNN has admitted that the response rate from Democrat leaning voters was through the roof in the immediate aftermath of the debate so they had a much larger than usual sample size of them.
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Another in:

NBC: Clinton +31

How could poorly controlled and easily manipulated internet polls be so wrong?
 
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I read where Trump said he will change his strategy (?) and next time he will "hit her harder." I don't necessarily buy that. That the way for Trump to win votes is to bash Hillary Clinton with the result he looks better by comparison. He needs to explain his plans in detail.

The other thing I don't get is, he also reportedly said, next time he will "bring up" Bill's infidelities. How is that going to work? For someone who is on his third marriage, with a history of multiple extramarital affairs, who once told Howard Stern that contracting venereal disease was an unfortunate but inevitable consequence of his 'lusty' lifestyle. Hillary wasn't the philanderer, her husband was. But I don't think even Bill Clinton is a match for Donald Trump when it comes to cheating on the wife.

How does raising this whole issue help Trump? Except this idea he seems to have that if you can belittle and ridicule your opponent on personal grounds that makes you a more attractive presidential candidate.

At some point I'd like to hear Trump explain details about some of his plans. Scrapping NAFTA for instance. There may be some problems with it -- I'm sure it's not a perfect deal (didn't the Canadians have some problems with it too during negotiations?) -- but how exactly will Trump "fix it?" I'd like to hear him go into enough detail to convince me he knows what the hell he's talking about. Because I don't think he does and I'm sure I've got a lot of company.
 
I still cannot believe that people who aren't Donald followers thought that that ignorant, mentally disordered moron could win a debate against Hillary. It was so obvious to me that he would lose.
 
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