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Presidential Debates

The following in IMO only.......

pgwenthold said:
In some ways. But she wants Trump to bring up that stuff about how her plan "only" is projected to have 2.5% growth, according to some independent analysis. He will boast how his plan is for 4% growth, so there!

And then she can mention that the same analysis that showed her plan having a 2.5% growth concluded that his plan would destroy the economy, and that his assertion of 4% growth is completely made up.

And thanks for conceding that she has a plan to grow the economy. Meanwhile, everyone agrees that he is going to sink it.
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I disagree, a lot of people would (be stupid enough to) come away from that exchange with a positive opinion of Donald Trump. On the surface he seems to be promising a much higher rate of growth than Hillary - and even if his policies don't add up in any way whatsoever he still looks more optimistic than Hillary and a lot of people like that.

Trump promising 4% and lambasting Hillary for wanting a weak economy would play very well for Trump. Even if he does not know how it will be done, he's confident that the ingenuity and hard work of the American people will do it once they're freed of the shackles of high taxes for the very wealthy, workers rights and environmental protection and when sufficiently protectionist measures have been put in place.

And if it doesn't work - blame foreigners :rolleyes:

Foolmewunz said:
It depends on how much he's allowed to bluster. We haven't seen the questions and hopefully they don't Lauer it and toss great big hanging curve balls and allow him to "Hillary Hillary Hillary" every answer.
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He will anyway and the difference between him and most (any ?) other candidates is that he will brazen it out. If they stop him speaking (even if he's saying nothing substantive) he will cry foul. It will be like trying to reason with a giant two-year-old
 
The Don said:
The following in IMO only.......



I disagree, a lot of people would (be stupid enough to) come away from that exchange with a positive opinion of Donald Trump. On the surface he seems to be promising a much higher rate of growth than Hillary - and even if his policies don't add up in any way whatsoever he still looks more optimistic than Hillary and a lot of people like that.

Trump promising 4% and lambasting Hillary for wanting a weak economy would play very well for Trump.
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Granted, debates go well when people just make stuff up.

I can see it happening. Trump is going to go to the debates and just spout off a whole bunch of made up nonsense, none of which will be true. Clinton will not have a response other than to say that everything he has said is made up. And even after the politicos of the world fact check the debate and confirm that everything he said is ********, the media will still conclude that Trump "won" the debate because Clinton couldn't handle the response to his claims.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Details, so to speak, of the debate topics.



All Trump-friendly topics, on the surface.
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I'm not seeing this. How are "America's Direction," "Achieve Prosperity" and "Securing America" Trump-friendly, or at least not equally Hillary!-friendly? I know that you don't believe that republicans have a monopoly on prosperity or security, and certainly not on "America's Direction," right?
 
carlitos said:
I'm not seeing this. How are "America's Direction," "Achieve Prosperity" and "Securing America" Trump-friendly, or at least not equally Hillary!-friendly? I know that you don't believe that republicans have a monopoly on prosperity or security, and certainly not on "America's Direction," right?
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I said, "at least on the surface".

"America's Direction"? He can do two hours of bluster... it's his campaign slogan, and not much more but he can dance around it. Make America Great Again. It'll be huge, I tell ya. Content-free, but "seemingly" Trump friendly.

"Achieve Prosperity"? Mr. Successful Businessman? He loves the topic of this particular illusion. You point out his bankruptcies and he takes credit for being shrewd. He's promised new jobs and infrastructure to the whole country. He'll just repeat his blah blah.

"Securing America"? Build that wall. Throw out the illegals. Hillary wants three billion more mooslims in the country. Skittles analogy c/o Donny Jr.

In short, these are areas he's not uncomfortable in. Follow-up questions could nail him to the floor, but that's a tougher task than most are imagining. He's totally ruthless about ignoring the situation and blustering through.
 
OK, but I don't see how other topics would be much different. If they put a bunch of social issues on the list, you could argue that those play to Trump too. In any case, presidential elections are certainly referendums on the direction of the country, which is largely if not almost entirely driven by security and the economy.
 
Crossbow said:
Surprise!

The stupid, greedy, lying, spoiled Trump is already whining about the upcoming debates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-media-is-gaming-the-system-ahead-of-debates/

Donald Trump says the media is ‘gaming the system’ ahead of debates

Donald Trump on Sunday accused the news media of "gaming the system" ahead of the presidential debates, saying the criticism that followed Matt Lauer's performance as moderator of a candidate forum this month is designed to set the Republican nominee up for harsher scrutiny.

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rump appears to be doing the same thing but with the opposite goal — trying to soften up the moderators by making them fear accusations of bias. He said Thursday in an interview with The Washington Post that Cooper will be "very biased" and should not be a moderator, indicating that Trump might cry foul if he does not like the questions he is asked.
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Not just whining, lying.

Republican nominee Donald Trump called first presidential debate moderator, NBC News anchor Lester Holt, “a Democrat” Monday, despite public records that indicate otherwise.

New York State voter registration documents show that Holt has been a registered Republican in the state since 2003.

Trump’s comments to Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly, which were offered without any evidence to support the claim, are part of a time-honored tradition of alleging moderator bias and expectations-setting before a presidential debate.

“By the way, Lester is a Democrat. It’s a phony system. They are all Democrats. It’s a very unfair system,” Trump said of the debate moderators.
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Frankly all Holt'd have to do is call him out on that directly, on stage, and Trump will ragequit and stomp off rather than admit he was wrong.
 
The Don said:
It will be like trying to reason with a giant two-year-old
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Exactly.

I am bit surprised that posters are still treating this as a debate between two adults in which telling lies or going off on tangents to brag about one's success hurts the final scores. Truth isn't going to win this debate or this election.

If Clinton points out lies, then Trump's response will be "No, you're telling lies." Most Americans don't follow politics as closely as we do and most Americans don't know how to fact-check claims of estimated economy growth on their own. Critical thinking is hard. If you need evidence of that claim look how rarely it is practiced in the politics sub-forum.
 
Dog Town said:
One week away from Ailes vs Carville, round #1. Who will have the best zinger?
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I doubt either of them is writing the one-liners this time around. Carville's humor is too pointed and down home. Ann Richards would be delighted to deliver Carville's material, not Hillary Clinton. And Ailes hasn't come up with a good line in years. His reputation as Mr. Mean is greatly surpassed by Trump's grand allies in Coulter, Bannon, Stone, et al.

I'd give the edge to Trump. He's expected to be abrasive and he loses no points with his devoted following if he crosses the line. Hillary's got the woman card against her and becomes "shrill bitch" if she's too pointed, so her writers have to come up with something brilliant if she's going to take the comedy sweepstakes. Something like the (and I paraphrase) "... and spoke for seventy-odd minutes,.... and I do mean ODD....", but that's not a line that translates well into "of the moment" and it would sound forced if it doesn't fit the question.

I think that's the problem Hillary faces. Even if she has Obama's writers back there, they have to not just come up with a line or two, they have to come up with the right moment to use it. If it seems like she's changing the topic just to get in her zinger, she's just not that good an actress to pull that off. It'll look forced and awkward. Trump? He's expected to bluster and change the subject. No one will notice.
 
A while back I submitted an entry to 'win dinner with Donald' --it would have been fun having dinner with Trump! :D
So I guess i got on his mailing list cause yesterday I got an email "Help Trump Defeat Hillary in the Debate!" A long survey in which his campaign asks his supporters to respond with what they wanted to see in the debate (deep questions like "Should I refer to Hillary as 'Crooked Hillary' in the Debate?")
So naturally I answered "Other" in all the responses and used the box to throw out a litany of my own ("Make sure you explain fully why you haven't released your taxes!")
It is interesting to see the barrage of pro-Trump ads on FB and other social media.
 
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