President Trump

[acbytesla]

I want to know how you plan to deal with the concerns of the low-population states at the federal level.

It's A tough question. What I do know is that dense urban populations are being shortchanged. The bridge to nowhere was just one of many barely needed pork barrel projects that get completed instead.

Urban populations subsidize that inefficient rural life. The cost is too high.

 

[logger]

I know but to write that Jesus came back to kick butt? On a critical thinker's site? I think it's a put-on at least in the sense that he wants to have some fun with the "libs." Keep throwing out ridiculous statements to see if they can keep responding without losing their cool and telling him to take a flying leap, thereby getting sanctioned by the mods.

I didn't put that up because you so-called skeptics would be instantly converted. You guys clearly live in a bubble and don't really know what the opposition thinks. I think that is great, what better place for the left to be but their own bubble.

And yes I am having fun, certainly your great loss has left me delighted, especially because you were so surprised by it.

 

[logger]

The idea that gun owners are going to save us from tyranny is laughable. They will be the tip of the spear. They will self organize and be the ones kicking in doors and dragging out Muslims, Hispanics, homosexuals and other "undesirables" then transporting them to detention areas where who knows what happens to them.

When the **** hits the fan they will be America's Gestapo.

Lol

I seriously doubt the hispanics will want to be lumped in with the homos. The Muslims damn sure don't want to be lumped in with them. And the homos would probably rather be with the Christians than the left or the Muslims.

 

[logger]

Conservatives seem to think that if other nations don't fear America they must hate us.

Which I guess explains why conservatives tend to abuse their children. They just don't understand the difference between "respect" and "fear."

Lol
You've clearly got some issues to work through if you think that.

I do know conservatives who are taking care of other peoples kids.

 

[Random]

People are important. That's part of the point.

Do you think that people in California and New York are more important than people in Idaho? Or do you assume that cultural differences, as well as different environments, needs, weather, etc. aren't important?

Actually, Idaho went 2:1 for Trump, so it wasn't a battleground state. As far as Presidential politics are concerned, California, New York and Idaho are all equally worthless under the Electoral College.

 

[newyorkguy]

I didn't put that up because you so-called skeptics would be instantly converted...

You didn't put that up -- Jesus came back to kick butt -- to convert skeptics? Sorry, I'm not buying into these nonsensical arguments you make. I not only don't think they're supposed to be taken seriously, I have a feeling you don't either.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Reply or Quote. Click the smiley. Scroll to bottom and Show All Smilies. Then Choose a Category.
Or if in Go Advanced, use the Smilies [More] link.

See you in thirty minutes...

Oy I'm having dumb here. I can't seem to see categories. I click the smiley in the top bar of the "Reply to Thread" option, and I only have one category, "Generic Smileys". If I click on "more" from the side panel, I get the same list. I have a total of 36 smileys available.

Where am I not-seeing the categories option?

 

[marplots]

Actually, Idaho went 2:1 for Trump, so it wasn't a battleground state. As far as Presidential politics are concerned, California, New York and Idaho are all equally worthless under the Electoral College.

I don't see why.

I think you are mixing up arguments about the fairness of the fundamental structure with an argument using a particular instance where the results came out a certain way. There is nothing in the framework which requires those states to vote the way they generally do.

 

[acbytesla]

I didn't put that up because you so-called skeptics would be instantly converted. You guys clearly live in a bubble and don't really know what the opposition thinks. I think that is great, what better place for the left to be but their own bubble.

And yes I am having fun, certainly your great loss has left me delighted, especially because you were so surprised by it.

The problem with your arguments is that they are just opinions and devoid of facts. You say we live in a bubble, yet I study these issues andit doesn't seem that you do. What is a bubble? A belief in a being without a shred of evidence or in the radiation deterioration of carbon 14?

 

[TJM]

Oy I'm having dumb here. I can't seem to see categories. I click the smiley in the top bar of the "Reply to Thread" option, and I only have one category, "Generic Smileys". If I click on "more" from the side panel, I get the same list. I have a total of 36 smileys available.

Where am I not-seeing the categories option?

Try this :

http://www.internationalskeptics.co...vB_Editor_001&select_category=Generic+Smilies

Should be a drop down menu with the categories at the top center of the page.

 

[newyorkguy]

Actually, Idaho went 2:1 for Trump, so it wasn't a battleground state. As far as Presidential politics are concerned, California, New York and Idaho are all equally worthless under the Electoral College.

I don't quite see the logic in this statement either. California and New York have a combined 84 electoral votes, that's almost one-third the total needed to win. Idaho has 4 electoral votes, which is less than 2% of the electoral votes needed to win.

Btw, if Hillary Clinton wins Florida, Trump and Clinton are tied with 261 electoral votes a piece..

 

[Emily's Cat]

Of course they are not. I've just seen the system in action. New York has been desperately in need of at least 3 more tunnels across the Hudson and East River and the Second Avenue Subway has been started and stopped 3 times. The East Side of Manhattan absolutely needs that finished and it doesn't get done. Lots of barely needed work In the sticks gets done like Alaska's bridge to nowhere instead. $400 million dollars was spent on the Gravinas island bridge that serves an island of 50 residents. Thank you very much Senator Ted Stevens.

Mmm... I don't know a ton, but I believe that the bridge to nowhere wasn't so much a state thing as a lobby thing.

And the lobbies seriously need their wings clipped.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Actually, Idaho went 2:1 for Trump, so it wasn't a battleground state. As far as Presidential politics are concerned, California, New York and Idaho are all equally worthless under the Electoral College.

I don't follow why you're classing them all as equally worthless. Idaho gets 4 electoral votes. CA gets 55 and NY gets 29. And neither CA nor NY were battleground states either.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Try this :

http://www.internationalskeptics.co...vB_Editor_001&select_category=Generic+Smilies

Should be a drop down menu with the categories at the top center of the page.

No drop down box.

Not in Chrome anyway. I tried it in IE and it's there. But I don't use IE, so I dunno. I've lived without expanded smileys for a few years, it's not gong to kill me. Maybe at some point I'll start using IE *shudder*

 

[TJM]

No drop down box.

Not in Chrome anyway. I tried it in IE and it's there. But I don't use IE, so I dunno. I've lived without expanded smileys for a few years, it's not gong to kill me. Maybe at some point I'll start using IE *shudder*

Hrm.

I use chrome exclusively on my home computer. I shall experiment when I get home and see if I can duplicate your issue.

 

[trustbutverify]

Mmm... I don't know a ton, but I believe that the bridge to nowhere wasn't so much a state thing as a lobby thing.

And the lobbies seriously need their wings clipped.

I have a feeling the NRA won't be in line for a good clipping under this administration.

 

[Random]

I don't see why.

I think you are mixing up arguments about the fairness of the fundamental structure with an argument using a particular instance where the results came out a certain way. There is nothing in the framework which requires those states to vote the way they generally do.

True, but one of the often repeated justifications for the EC is that without it the interests of small states would be ignored. This ignores the fact that small states like Idaho get ignored all the time under the EC. If a state isn't a battleground state, they are typically ignored on the level of Presidential politics regardless of size.

New Hampshire got a hell of a lot more attention than Idaho this time around, even though they are both worth the same number of electoral votes. Delaware, Wyoming, the Dakotas, etc... Even with the awesome power of their disproportionate representation, a lot of small states were just written off as forgone conclusions and ignored.

 

[tyr_13]

The idea that gun owners are going to save us from tyranny is laughable. They will be the tip of the spear. They will self organize and be the ones kicking in doors and dragging out Muslims, Hispanics, homosexuals and other "undesirables" then transporting them to detention areas where who knows what happens to them.

When the **** hits the fan they will be America's Gestapo.

As I have to keep reminding people like logger, there are a great many gun owners who are liberals (even if the conservatives keep calling .243 a 'girl's round' ).

But yes, the most vocal gun proponents tend towards right wing, as do gun owners in general. 'America's Gestapo' are likely to draw from that group in the event such a thing comes to be. That wouldn't mean that gun owners are America's Gestapo, but that America's Gestapo were gun owners.

Conservatives seem to think that if other nations don't fear America they must hate us.

Which I guess explains why conservatives tend to abuse their children. They just don't understand the difference between "respect" and "fear."

Dude, the irrational hate can't infect the left so widely too. Elevate the discussion. There is more than enough to be critical of the right over right now; you don't have to make stuff up too. At the very least you don't have to use weakly evidenced stuff, assuming you have evidence at all for the highlighted.

 

[Random]

I don't follow why you're classing them all as equally worthless. Idaho gets 4 electoral votes. CA gets 55 and NY gets 29. And neither CA nor NY were battleground states either.

Exactly, they were not battleground states. So California, Idaho, and New York all got about the same amount of attention from the Presidential candidates. None really. Not compared to New Hampshire, Iowa, or Florida.

 

[newyorkguy]

The Gravinas Island bridge was definitely a state project, one Sarah Palin championed in 2006 when she was running for Governor. Alaska senator Ted Stevens got the bridge funded and, when it came under fire, threatened to quit the senate if the funding was dropped. The bridge was planned to replace a state ferry between Ketchikan, Alaska and Gravina Island. The island, with a population of 50 residents, also was the site of Ketchikan International Airport. The bridge, estimated to have cost $398 million, was primarily to connect residents of Ketchikan and southeast Alaska with Ketchikan Airport on Gravina Island, a jetport handling an average of 100,000 passengers a year.

The bridge, however, was never built.