Post-revolution polls in Egypt

ANTPogo said:
This helps explain what was going on. Basically, green laser pointers are kind of a protest thing over there, and they were shining them on the helicopter in jubilation, and most likely had no idea how dangerous that was for the pilots.

And apparently there are rumors floating around that the Brotherhood threw Morsi under the bus in return for being allowed to participate in the new transition process.

EDIT: Also reports of Brotherhood TV stations and newspapers being shut down and their employees arrested, so who knows?
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Don't know if they should let them take part in the transition. It is probably best to keep them away fron the constitution for a while.

But they should definately take part in the next elections. So they don't get driven underground. They must have learned something from recent events. And it splits the whacky fundi vote.
 
I find it interesting that the Salafist groups have supported this. BBC and a few other news sources are quoting Morsi supporters (who themselves are very religious) as being worried that if they give in, they will be forced to shave their beards or otherwise not be allowed to practice their religion as they see fit.

It is a curious thing when the conservative Islamist people are worried that a movement supported by the Ultra-conservative Islamists will take away the right to practice Islam.
 
Hans said:
Anyone anticipating a civil war?
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There was some speculation in the media yesterday that this could turn into civil war.

I'm not getting that vibe at all.

The press conference was more inclusive than the Carter administration. All that was missing at the table was an Orthodox Jew and a drag queen.
 
Morsi and the Moslem Brotherhood now know the rules have changed. They played by the democratic rules and look where that got them. They obeyed the US and kept the peace with Israel. When the Moslem Brotherhood comes back in power they will not feel obligated to follow any rules or cooperate with the US.
 
It is interesting; just few weeks ago Egypt supported the insurgency against Syria and now they realize they are both on the receiving end of American and Israeli intrigue.
 
Kestrel said:
Once the people learn they can overthrow an authoritarian regime by taking to the streets, the old ways of running the country will no longer work. The only way to stay in power is to keep the people happy.

Morsi didn't understand that the rules had changed. The trick for Egypt will be finding a leader who does.
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Egypt is an unusual situation in that the armed forces are highly independent, almost a government onto themselves. The people can overthrow authoritarian regimes only because the military aren't necessarily available as a weapon for any current government to use against insurrection. In fact, they're more likely to exercise force on behalf of a massive revolt in order to protect their sizable interests. Which is the exact opposite of the typical structure.

The Egyptian police force is the governments hammer, and they're not an effective counter to the army.
 
Eddie Dane said:
There was some speculation in the media yesterday that this could turn into civil war.

I'm not getting that vibe at all.

The press conference was more inclusive than the Carter administration. All that was missing at the table was an Orthodox Jew and a drag queen.
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I wish.
 
Childlike Empress said:
I suggest we wait for the statement which might be coming soon as another meeting of all fractions was just announced to be over (and the house arrest and travel ban rumours to be false).
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House arrest has been confirmed by a Brotherhood spokesman, by the way.

And in today's installment of "What do you mean, that's not an Onion article?", Syria says Mursi must realize Egyptians don't want him

The Syrian government, fighting to crush a two-year-old uprising against President Bashar al-Assad that started with peaceful calls for reform, said on Wednesday Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi should step down for the sake of his country.

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"(Egypt's) crisis can be overcome if Mohamed Mursi realizes that the overwhelming majority of the Egyptian people reject him and are calling on him to go," Information Minister Omran Zoabi was quoted as saying by the state news agency SANA.
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Childlike Empress said:
[and before you nitpick ... #WeAreWithMorsi is trending in Turkey (and Germany). No kidding.]
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Islamists in a country with a long history of the military giving them the boot whenever they try to impose their brand of theocracy on everyone else are saying they stand with Morsi?

I'm shocked.
 
ANTPogo said:
State-run media is reporting that the army has informed Morsi that he's no longer head of state of Egypt. Army chief al-Sisi is speaking on State TV right now, flanked by Coptic Pope Tawadros, the Sheikh of Al-Azhar, Mohamed El-Baradei, Tamarad or "rebel" movement leaders and the Salafist al-Nour Party leaders.
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...crud. I hope they're not the bad kind of Salafist...
 
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Lowpro said:
...crud. I hope they're not the bad kind of Salafist...
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There is no "good" kind of Salafist. But al-Nour are the ones whose satellite TV station Al Nas was responsible for bringing the film "The Innocence of Muslims" to prominence and for whipping up the anger that led to the storming of the US embassy in Cairo on September 11, 2012 (and, indirectly, to the attacks in Benghazi, Libya and elsewhere that same day).
 
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Kestrel said:
Once the people learn they can overthrow an authoritarian regime by taking to the streets, the old ways of running the country will no longer work. The only way to stay in power is to keep the people happy.
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An Italian covered this centuries ago: It is better to be feared than loved.

Morsi didn't understand that the rules had changed. The trick for Egypt will be finding a leader who does.
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I think not, and just hope for a pro-USA dictator.
 
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