angrysoba
Philosophile
Remove the requirement for oppression and the definition fits (and even the lack of that requirement is debatable as seen through the eyes of the MB). Deception upon deception to advance the cause of Islam, democracy as a cloak rather than an ideology, liberalism and tolerance as short-term smoke screens that will dissipate once power is achieved. Anybody who believes that the MB would embrace democracy and champion the standing of women and Christians (as per Morsi's first appointment announcement) other than as devious means to achieve an end is - I would suggest - a little naive.
Could you show me someone who is saying that the Muslim Brotherhood are liberal democrats. That doesn't mean show me someone saying they are "moderates" as opposed to hardliners (that may be a justifiable tag when compared to the Salafists) but people who are actually saying the MB are liberal democrats. They have toned down their strident image, sure. Mind you, if they are lying to win office then I would suggest it isn't a case of taqqiya but a case of...er... democratic politics.
Most people are arguing this. I haven't heard anybody on mainstream media suggest that the MB is anti-democracy because that would mean admitting the whole process is a sham, which of course it is.
Who is arguing that they are pro-liberal democracy? As far as I have heard they are portrayed as agreeing to go along with certain liberal-ish and democratic-ish ideas such as not forcing everyone into the hijab, not massacring the Copts etc... though that is setting the bar low, and most commentators don't seem to be saying this is out of principle but rather out of expedience given that the military essentially hold most of the power and aren't going to let the Muslim Brotherhood do whatever they want. If you think this is unusual and requires fancy exotic jargon to explain why a group of people are having to moderate their position a bit to please the powers that be then it isn't just Egyptian politics you know little about, I would suggest you don't know any kind of politics.
What was it with all these experts with all their decades of experience and research who still didn't understand the reach and aims of the MB? And who still don't. There's something wrong when people like me - admittedly broadly ignorant of Egyptian political and social aspects - can predict the MB being in power from 12 months off whilst the experts and the media were trumpeting about a new age of freedom and democracy and tolerance and loveliness.
There was actually a lot of debate going both ways. People were talking about the Muslim Brotherhood from the very beginning; you weren't some lone voice in the wilderness. The only thing that did bother me were the somewhat delusional reassurances that people made about the Muslim Brotherhood being late to the protests. I thought that was completely irrelevant:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6829429&postcount=25
Anyway, I'll accept that my own prediction hasn't come true yet that Qaradawi would end up with some form of power. He has said that he doesn't want power, if I recall correctly, although if he does get put into some position I won't assume that is taqqiya but rather standard politics, again.
Interestingly, Egypt's new government are now in a war of words with the UAE, where Qaradawi lives, and partly over Qaradawi's criticisms of the UAE.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/2ec7b344-c528-11e1-b6fd-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1zbZgdv7b
The Muslim Brotherhood doesn't seem to be shy about how much power it claims to wield among Muslims across the Middle East:
Dubai Police Chief Lieutenant General Dahi Khalfan threatened to issue an international arrest warrant for Sheikh al-Qaradawi if he repeated his criticism of the UAE. Muslim Brotherhood spokesman, Mahmud Ghazlan, later said that the “entire Muslim world” would take action against the UAE if it issued an arrest warrant for the Egyptian imam.
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?id=28853
