Politicizing hurricane Katrina
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Houston Chronicle article written prior to Katrina strike.
So why shelter your people inside the known flood area?
So why shelter your people inside the known flood area?
stamenflicker
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I don't know if this website has been visited or linked to by anyone on this forum, but here is the city's disaster response plan:
http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26
From the site:
And the responsibility here of the city's mass transit:
And here is the estimated number of citizens lacking appropriate transportation:
How to address the problem:
And who takes the lead according to the disaster resposne plan? The mayor. It appears to me that much of this was well thought out, just not executed.
Flick
http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26
From the site:
And the responsibility here of the city's mass transit:
And here is the estimated number of citizens lacking appropriate transportation:
How to address the problem:
And who takes the lead according to the disaster resposne plan? The mayor. It appears to me that much of this was well thought out, just not executed.
Flick
easycruise
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easycruise said...
"Or was it the debate where I actually had to prove that the NY Times was a liberal biased paper in the Karl Rove/Plame matter."
Regnad said...
"Which you did not do, running away from the thread like a school girl."
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Hello? The source for my claim was the NY Times itself! They themselves admitted it! Your screen name is spelled backwards, much like the backwardness of the brain that created it.
"Or was it the debate where I actually had to prove that the NY Times was a liberal biased paper in the Karl Rove/Plame matter."
Regnad said...
"Which you did not do, running away from the thread like a school girl."
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Hello? The source for my claim was the NY Times itself! They themselves admitted it! Your screen name is spelled backwards, much like the backwardness of the brain that created it.
easycruise
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stamenflicker said:
Mayor is taking more hits from the public..
and another one showing a different bus depot.....
duggie said:
Or, in other words, it sucks that you're going to have to go over and kill people for the first time in your life but it needs to be done and I hope these words make it a little easier on you?
I don't know - just another way to look it.
Jen
Wow - how long has the Katrina thing been going on, anyway???
CapelDodger
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Not renowned as a sensitive soul, Patton. Known as "Blood and Guts" - "We've got the blood, he's got the guts". There was a slapping incident that even his excellent PR staff weren't able to spin away.JenJen said:
When Patton said these non-'Murricans had "chosen to remain slaves", that's exactly what he thought and exemplifies his contempt for and ignorance of the outside world. And that "outside world" included a lot of US society.
CapelDodger
Thanks for the history lesson. Not so up with the Patton stuff.
Duggie
Yes, I got why you posted it here - even without the history. I simply disagree with your analogy. What do they call it when someone generalizes about a group of people?
Jen
Thanks for the history lesson. Not so up with the Patton stuff.
Duggie
Yes, I got why you posted it here - even without the history. I simply disagree with your analogy. What do they call it when someone generalizes about a group of people?
Jen
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Well, I know it's easy, easycruise, for you to harp on some relatively soft targets. I mean, let it be ANYTHING but George W. Bush's fault. But in your earnestness to direct all attention away from Bush, you not only look like a cretin, but a sucker as well.easycruise said:
To 'splain further -- the evacuation plans followed by Nagin and Blanco were essentially what was developed for them by the DHS. All hyperbole aside about who called for help when, it was known full well by Bush on August 26th that some serious schist was going to hit the fan in Louisiana.
There are three easily debunkable Karl Rove talking points floating around regarding this event -- Turd pellets which you have eagerly gobbled up in your willingness to Believe in the Bush Godhood. The first and second points basically counter each other out: "No one anticipated the levees would break." This is known as a Lie. However, it's rhetorically canceled out by: "Those fools in New Orleans should have known to get out of the city." Come on -- can't have it both ways. Either it was known to be a pending disaster, or it wasn't.
Try to remember that these people get a hurricane warning almost every year about this time. I've seen (and unapologetically assaulted) many posts here discussing the idiocy of those who would stay -- #1 they didn't have the means to leave, and #2, they didn't have the inclination. Show as many pictures of waterlogged buses as you find amusing. They don't reveal nearly as much as the pictures I have of Bush playing guitar and cutting birthday cake.
The third KR talking point is the one you're so fond of harping on: It's Local Government's fault. The problem with that is that there was a disaster response plan and it's quite well-documented that all parties involved locally followed that plan. On the 26th, Bush himself declared, in advance that a State of Emergency existed in Louisiana. The NRP, on page 15, quotes
The NRP was basically invoked on the 26th - by Bush himself. For five days afterward, he cut birthday cake and played guitar.
Regardless of what the Mayor and Governor did or did not do, this was a national catastrophe crossing multiple states, and clearly outside the resources of those states or cities to handle. It therefore fell to the President to lead during this crisis. We were told repeatedly during election 2004 in stern, accusatory tones, that should we fail to pick the right leaders, that the consequences in a crisis could be severe.
Well, I'm now 100% sure we picked the wrong leaders. While Bush fiddled, and Condi shopped for shoes, and Cheney hid out in Wyoming somewhere, our nation fell to pieces. This was a catastrophe whose coming was known some days in advance.
If you are expecting for some reason the toughness of Your Leader (he ain't mine!) to protect you in the event of a genuine unexpected terra attack, let me give you some advice: bend over, grab a cheek in each hand, and kiss what's between 'em goodbye. If it's not exactly his day to be involved in things, you may just be screwed, blued, and tatooed. Even if it is, he may just show up for a staged photo op, and leave you gasping for help and wondering what the hell happened.
Bush has with his monumental failure to lead or even acknowledge a problem also telegraphed to any and all who might be listening some other important facts: if you're gonna do something, late August seems to be an excellent time. You've got nearly 35 days when the entire Administration seems to be gone fishin'.
We've also revealed that Bush will praise incompetent cronies no matter how badly they screw up or how much they lie -- so the mistakes that got made just now will be almost certainly repeated should Michaels Brown and Chertoff remain in their positions (as seems likely).
If it is your pleasure to remain a complete tool of the Bush Administration, please remember that Bush only takes care of those he calls his own, and it takes a lot of money to run with those fat cats.
Also, regarding the levee repairs and when they might have been done, and whatever else you may think -- remember that what we've really seen is not so much how the catastrophe could have been averted, as what the Administration's real priorities are: fighting fake wars in oil-producing regions. Our nation's infrastructure is falling apart in many other ways. There was a group of civil engineers who apparently meet every four years or so, and they gave the nation's infrastructure a D-, I believe, at their last meeting (shortly before Katrina struck). So even if Katrina had not revealed the foolery going on with the NO levees this year, they would have eventually caught up with the city at some later point. What's in your area that may abruptly crumble without warning when you need it the most, and how will it affect your economy?