Police killing.

[Sherkeu]

"Protests and anger over the shooting death of a homeless Black man by an Orange County sheriff’s deputy led city officials to declare an emergency 9 p.m. curfew in San Clemente Thursday. But a nighttime demonstration dispersed an hour earlier.

The City Council will reconvene in a special meeting Friday at 5:30 p.m. to decide whether to extend the curfew further.

Also Thursday, the Orange County Sheriff’s Department released a grainy photo that Sheriff Don Barnes said shows the man, Kurt Andras Reinhold, reaching for a deputy’s service weapon during a fight, shortly before he was shot and killed by a deputy.

A security camera from the hotel reportedly captured at least part of the altercation. The sheriff’s department did not release the video,

Barnes during a news conference on Thursday afternoon urged people to reserve judgment until the killing can be investigated.

Two deputies with a homeless outreach team encountered Reinhold, 42, around 1:15 Wednesday near the Hotel Miramar. Reinhold had come to the San Clemente area around 30 days prior, and members of the homeless outreach team had attempted on previous occasions to “try to establish a dialogue” with him to offer homeless services, the sheriff said.

Barnes said he could not comment on why the deputies contacted Reinhold on Wednesday, or on what led to the physical altercation. The sheriff did not identify the deputies, but said they were both trained in crisis intervention and de-escalation techniques.

The sheriff declined to comment on whether the deputies had a lawful reason to detain Reinhold, noting that the deputies and some witnesses have yet to be interviewed."

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/09...o-he-says-shows-man-reaching-for-deputys-gun/

There was a video released though:



There is another video of them trying to get him out of the middle of the street.
It is at about 1:40 in this video:

 

[RolandRat]

First video says error playing back for me. Second video is a very brief clip of a police officer and the victim. Do you know how the video was obtained?

 

[smartcooky]

Jaywalking..... just another "crime" to add to the growing list of "crimes" for which summary execution is the penalty. Others include...

Jogging
Sitting on your couch eating ice cream
Passing a counterfeit $20 note (allegedly)
Lying in bed at home
Riding a bicycle
Shopping
Babysitting
Walking home

 

[smartcooky]

First video says error playing back for me. Second video is a very brief clip of a police officer and the victim. Do you know how the video was obtained?

Try this




Sherkeu tried to include a time stamp in the URL, but the forum's BBCode can't deal with that.

 

[Minoosh]

Well at least they did CPR.

 

[Craig4]

This a tragic example of the problem of using the police to fix problems other than law enforcement ones. Why is there a homeless outreach team in the Sheriff's office? We would all be safer and our police would be happier if we stopped using them to fix medical and social problems. There's near unanimous agreement that chemical dependency is a medical condition. Let's stop leaving it people who aren't medical professionals deal with it. It's not working and it's not fair to the police.

Homelessness is generally a combination of social ills and mental health problems.There are people who know how to deal with these issues. Generally speaking, they don't work for the police.

 

[RolandRat]

Try this




Sherkeu tried to include a time stamp in the URL, but the forum's BBCode can't deal with that.

Thanks. Their image doesn't make it clear if he really was reaching for the officers gun. It shows the struggle and what looks like the officer shooting the guy in the side/back. Interesting they didn't show what led up to the struggle.

 

[Myriad]

This a tragic example of the problem of using the police to fix problems other than law enforcement ones. Why is there a homeless outreach team in the Sheriff's office? We would all be safer and our police would be happier if we stopped using them to fix medical and social problems. There's near unanimous agreement that chemical dependency is a medical condition. Let's stop leaving it people who aren't medical professionals deal with it. It's not working and it's not fair to the police.

Homelessness is generally a combination of social ills and mental health problems.There are people who know how to deal with these issues. Generally speaking, they don't work for the police.

Might the reason be that "homeless outreach team" is a euphemism for "squad whose job is to harass the homeless so they move elsewhere, or at least stop moving here"? Or am I just a hopeless cynic?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Might the reason be that "homeless outreach team" is a euphemism for "squad whose job is to harass the homeless so they move elsewhere, or at least stop moving here"? Or am I just a hopeless cynic?

No you just have an accurate view of the relationship between police and homeless populations.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Might the reason be that "homeless outreach team" is a euphemism for "squad whose job is to harass the homeless so they move elsewhere, or at least stop moving here"? Or am I just a hopeless cynic?

That's generally the case. These "outreach teams" usually busy themselves enforcing minor violations of the law that come with homelessness, with occasional larger operations where they raid homeless camps and throw away tents and other necessary for life possessions.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

It will be interesting to see if this one gets traction or not. The deceased life was one that mattered and being homeless makes him even more sympathetic. If the racial profile of everybody involved fits the narrative, we might get some mostly peaceful riots out of it. It could just easily get swept down the memory hole like the 250 or so innocent White people who have been shot and killed for no reason by police officers in the United States since the George Floyd incident. It's very hard to predict where these things will go these days.

Why don't white communities care when police kill these people? It's a strange irony that Black Lives Matter protestors are much more likely to care about police brutality against white people than the "All Lives Matters" bootlickers.

That’s why the family showed up for a small but emotional rally Saturday in support of Linden Cameron, the 13-year-old who was shot and injured by police.

About 40 people gathered in front of the Ogden Municipal Building to speak against police brutality and call for understanding and compassion for those with mental illness and disabilities. Some of the ralliers were also members of the Black Lives Matter movement in Utah.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/9/12/21434052/protesters-show-support-for-13-year-old-boy-on-autism-spectrum-shot-injured-by-police

 

[shuttlt]

Why don't white communities care when police kill these people? It's a strange irony that Black Lives Matter protestors are much more likely to care about police brutality against white people than the "All Lives Matters" bootlickers.

As tragic as the individual cases may be, you do need some kind of narrative that people are invested in that those individual tragedies can be fitted into in order to get people marching and/or you need a well of people ready to take to the streets who just need a catalyst.

I don't think that the majority of white America is there.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Why don't white communities care when police kill these people? It's a strange irony that Black Lives Matter protestors are much more likely to care about police brutality against white people than the "All Lives Matters" bootlickers.



https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/9/12/21434052/protesters-show-support-for-13-year-old-boy-on-autism-spectrum-shot-injured-by-police

First of all, BLM doesn't give a rat's ass about what happens to White people at all. They don't even care about black lives unless a White person is involved in ending it. Even then, only a select few get national attention. Dijon Kizzee's death has had some legs; but nothing like George Floyd. Meanwhile, Anthony McClain seems to have disappeared down the memory hole. Why the media pays attention to some and not to other, I don't know.

But it's the media acting as an information gatekeeper. I think the far more numerous White people who are shot and killed by the police don't cause an outrage because they are not publicized. Nobody knows about them. If every time a White person was shot and killed after lunging towards a police officer with a knife or after attacking a police officer, grabbing his taser and shooting him with it, the newspapers screamed ANOTHER INNOCENT WHITE MAN MURDERED BY POLICE FOR NO REASON!!!, we might see rioting in the streets.

Then again, maybe we wouldn't. White people suffer from pathological altruism and they feel guilt for creating a society based on individualism and meritocracy which oppresses black people (yet somehow allows east Asians, south Asians, and Jews to flourish). We criticize ourselves more harshly and hold ourselves to a higher standard of behavior. So it's possible that we would look at all the incidents involving White people being shot and killed by the police and see (correctly) that it was the behavior of the individual that forced the police to use lethal force.

The "meta-theme" of the Summer of George is that black people who engage in aggressive, dangerous behavior and act violently toward the police should not be stopped because black people don't have agency. If everybody was held to same standard of behavior and it was known that violent and dangerous White people were getting shot and killed by the police just as often as violent and dangerous black people were, maybe there wouldn't be any rioting and looting and violence at all. Black people and White people would look at police shootings as sad and tragic but as another example of a criminal getting what he ******* deserved and not as a ******** racist incident.

I know that ain't gonna happen. The people who control the mass media are pathological liars who have a vested interest in stirring up conflict between people. Pitting race against race is a very convenient way to do that. But it's a nice dream.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

First of all, BLM doesn't give a rat's ass about what happens to White people at all. They don't even care about black lives unless a White person is involved in ending it. Even then, only a select few get national attention. Dijon Kizzee's death has had some legs; but nothing like George Floyd. Meanwhile, Anthony McClain seems to have disappeared down the memory hole. Why the media pays attention to some and not to other, I don't know.

But it's the media acting as an information gatekeeper. I think the far more numerous White people who are shot and killed by the police don't cause an outrage because they are not publicized. Nobody knows about them. If every time a White person was shot and killed after lunging towards a police officer with a knife or after attacking a police officer, grabbing his taser and shooting him with it, the newspapers screamed ANOTHER INNOCENT WHITE MAN MURDERED BY POLICE FOR NO REASON!!!, we might see rioting in the streets.

Then again, maybe we wouldn't. White people suffer from pathological altruism and they feel guilt for creating a society based on individualism and meritocracy which oppresses black people (yet somehow allows east Asians, south Asians, and Jews to flourish). We criticize ourselves more harshly and hold ourselves to a higher standard of behavior. So it's possible that we would look at all the incidents involving White people being shot and killed by the police and see (correctly) that it was the behavior of the individual that forced the police to use lethal force.

The "meta-theme" of the Summer of George is that black people who engage in aggressive, dangerous behavior and act violently toward the police should not be stopped because black people don't have agency. If everybody was held to same standard of behavior and it was known that violent and dangerous White people were getting shot and killed by the police just as often as violent and dangerous black people were, maybe there wouldn't be any rioting and looting and violence at all. Black people and White people would look at police shootings as sad and tragic but as another example of a criminal getting what he ******* deserved and not as a ******** racist incident.

I know that ain't gonna happen. The people who control the mass media are pathological liars who have a vested interest in stirring up conflict between people. Pitting race against race is a very convenient way to do that. But it's a nice dream.

The people who control the mass media are pitting the races against each other, huh? I wonder who (((they))) are?

I don't know why I replied to you at all, this is my fault really.

 

[Craig4]

Might the reason be that "homeless outreach team" is a euphemism for "squad whose job is to harass the homeless so they move elsewhere, or at least stop moving here"? Or am I just a hopeless cynic?

I can't think of another conclusion unless the deputies on that squad have access to resources to assist the homeless. Outreach to do what? If they can't help them with food, shelter, chemical dependency, mental health, then it's outreach so they can play homeless soccer.

 

[Mumbles]

As tragic as the individual cases may be, you do need some kind of narrative that people are invested in that those individual tragedies can be fitted into in order to get people marching and/or you need a well of people ready to take to the streets who just need a catalyst.

I don't think that the majority of white America is there.

And yet white sup - um, I mean "white people" like CaptainHowdy seem highly invested in criticizing groups like Black Lives Matter for not protesting police murders of anyone who isn't black (which they routinely do join such protest, as we saw with Justine Damond, DAPL protestors, and white, striking miners in Kentucky). One would think that people like CaptainHowdy and similar supr-um, "people" would organize, or at least join in on, these protests.

That is, if they themselves cared about police brutality against white people, rather than being the exact sort of person who likely spend time on white supremacist forums worshiping violent goons on police forces gloating that white people who do join in on anti-police brutality protests, and thus expose themselves to police brutality, are actually "****** lovers" who "get what they deserve". Which I'm absolutely certain people like the Captain would absolutely never do.

*cough*

 

[RolandRat]

I can't think of another conclusion unless the deputies on that squad have access to resources to assist the homeless. Outreach to do what? If they can't help them with food, shelter, chemical dependency, mental health, then it's outreach so they can play homeless soccer.

According to this website:

https://www.san-clemente.org/departments-services/housing-social-services/homeless-resources

"The City has received many inquiries from residents asking about what types of resources and services are being provided to the City’s homeless and the steps being taken to address their concerns.

As part of the City’s ongoing effort to reduce homelessness and to address the concern of residents, the City has contracted with City Net to provide mobile outreach services. In addition, Mercy House on behalf of the County of Orange, provides mobile outreach services as well.

As homeless outreach providers, it is their goal to better understand the needs of the homeless within the community. City Net and Mercy House staff will work closely with the Orange County Sheriff’s Department to provide outreach and case management for homeless individuals and families they encounter. They will also provide the appropriate resources for those in need of assistance via their vast network of resources with other partners."

 

[RolandRat]

Appears there has been an update on this in April:

https://voiceofoc.org/2021/04/what-...sheriff-deputy-killing-of-kurt-reinhold-show/

The link above dissects the video that was released of the encounter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dx14lOcBpM

 

[Thermal]

Actually missed this thread because I assumed the title Police Killing was just a descriptive statement, like Firefighters Fighting Fires or Plumbers Plumbing. Just folks doing what they do.

Also, were these two deputies part of the homeless outreach whatever thing? If so, why are they in full BDU? They look like ******* Navy Seals.

 

[Checkmite]

Appears there has been an update on this in April:

https://voiceofoc.org/2021/04/what-...sheriff-deputy-killing-of-kurt-reinhold-show/

The link above dissects the video that was released of the encounter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dx14lOcBpM

Wow.

The first clip comes from the deputies’ vehicle at approximately 1:30 pm, according to Sheriff officials describing the events in the briefing video.

“Watch this. He’s going to jaywalk,” one deputy can be heard saying, as Reinhold stands across the street from the deputies by San Gabriel Road, which intersects with El Camino Real and dead ends.

Reinhold had just purchased an iced tea from the nearby liquor store.

“Okie doke. He’s seen ya. He’s seen ya, copper,” said one deputy.

They drove over as soon as Reinhold stepped into the intersection. No cars were coming Reinhold’s way as he crossed.

The deputies appear to debate whether to stop him in the first place, with one saying the crosswalk is controlled, while the other says “I don’t know dude.”

“Don’t make case law, Gabriel,” the other responds.

Gehlawat said that portion of the video was “very disturbing to us,” saying it shows the deputies had been watching Reinhold for some time beforehand and that they “had it out for him.”

At that point, Reinhold stopped in the middle of the crosswalk and began to walk back.

“Are you going to stop or are we going to have to make you stop?” one deputy asked after pulling up near where Reinhold was.

“For what? For what?” Reinhold replied. “What are you talking about? I’m walking.”

He was never "wandering in the middle of the road". That was a bald-faced lie. He was literally using a crosswalk while no traffic was coming.