Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

[R.Mackey]

Your minimum is a football field wide already, you realy think 7 football fields?

I've PM'd Buckwheat and Apathoid to way in on this.

I gave you my reasoning. If you want to take issue with my assumptions, go right ahead. That's why I showed my work.

 

[Killtown]

well if Andrew, Buckwheat and Apathoid concur, I'll concur.

This whole experiment shouldn't be based on one person's assumptions alone.

 

[R.Mackey]

well if Andrew, Buckwheat and Apathoid concur, I'll concur.

This whole experiment shouldn't be based on one person's assumptions alone.

I won't accept that even if Andrew [or Buckwheat or anybody]does concur. Think about the problem. Give your reasoning. Don't just vote with the crowd, or -- as I'm pretty sure you're doing -- feign obstinance to bully other people into going along with you.

What do you say? You made a conclusion, tell us why.

It isn't! Go ahead, take issue with my assumptions! Start a conversation! I've showed you every single step in nauseating detail!! Bring your opinions to the table! I demand it!

Why is this bouncing off your skull?

 

[Killtown]

because if we just use your assumptions and the experiment doesn't end up going your way, I don't want the rest of you OCTs saying "well you didn't ask for our input, so your experiment results are invalid."

I would rather wait for "unanimous" approval before we move on.

 

[Dog Town]

Cue Jeopardy Themed Music !

 

[Killtown]

Cue Jeopardy Theme !

do you concur with a 7 football field peak fireball DT?

 

[Dog Town]

Not my bag! Need to put on a concert in an afternoon! I'm your man! The rest I study! Please proceed!

 

[Wyn]

do you concur with a 7 football field peak fireball DT?

Hey Killtown, how much Jet B was in the MOAB you keep showing us pictures of?

 

[R.Mackey]

because if we just use your assumptions and the experiment doesn't end up going your way, I don't want the rest of you OCTs saying "well you didn't ask for our input, so your experiment results are invalid."

I would rather wait for "unanimous" approval before we move on.

Bah! I'm not asking you to "move on," I'm asking you to explain something you said. YOU are the one who tried to replace my value with "300 m peak fireball." YOU don't need to wait for ANYONE before explaining your reasoning. So explain already.

Besides, we can do more than one experiment, you know.

If we show our work, then other people can come along and criticize it later, if they disagree.

Really, I know you're just stalling, but this is the most bizarre form of stalling I've ever seen -- you're waiting until your adversaries all come in and add their opinions. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it.

 

[Gravy]

I would rather wait for "unanimous" approval before we move on.

Glad I have a good book to read while you PM the 2,206 active JREF members.

 

[Gravy]

[Really, I know you're just stalling, but this is the most bizarre form of stalling I've ever seen -- you're waiting until your adversaries all come in and add their opinions. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it.

I'm with you there, R. I've never, ever seen anything like Killtown's behavior here.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

[Killtown, w]hy is this bouncing off your skull?

I'll take a wild-ass guess.

Soon to be seen on a certain someone's blog, as well as various CT forums...

"Y'know, I went around and around with the so-called skeptics and critical thinkers at the vaunted JREF. I gave them every opportunity, was patient and polite, yet they couldn't seem to provide any support for their pet theories. LOL. ROFLMAO."

 

[Dog Town]

I'm with you there, R. I've never, ever seen anything like Killtown's behavior here.

I mentioned this book before, Take Down. By Tsutomu Shimomura, he took down Kevin Mitnick! All about ego, K Clown is the =, of the psyche.Fascinating!

 

[R.Mackey]

I'll take a wild-ass guess.

Soon to be seen on a certain someone's blog, as well as various CT forums...

I've had the same thought. Although, with some of his admissions here, I rather doubt all but the most dogmatic CTers are following this thread with satisfaction. The hole has gotten mighty deep.

I've also wondered how this conversation might factor into Val's hypothetical libel suit. Ah well, I went into this with the best intentions.

 

[Killtown]

Bah! I'm not asking you to "move on," I'm asking you to explain something you said. YOU are the one who tried to replace my value with "300 m peak fireball." YOU don't need to wait for ANYONE before explaining your reasoning. So explain already.

Besides, we can do more than one experiment, you know.

If we show our work, then other people can come along and criticize it later, if they disagree.

Really, I know you're just stalling, but this is the most bizarre form of stalling I've ever seen -- you're waiting until your adversaries all come in and add their opinions. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it.

Are you afraid to see if the other OCTs concur or not?

Gravy? Do you concur with the 7 football field peak fireball?

 

[R.Mackey]

Are you afraid to see if the other OCTs concur or not?

Gravy? Do you concur with the 7 football field peak fireball?

Dude, not only am I not afraid, I'm not afraid if you concur or not. That's why I showed my work. I put it out there for everyone to see.

Unlike you, who won't even explain your reasoning. Please, explain! I WANT YOUR OPINIONS! ADD THEM TO THE DISCUSSION!

 

[Wyn]

Killtown, how much Jet B was in that MOAB you keep talking about?

 

[Killtown]

Here is that B-52 crash. I rotated the plane as if it were doing a nose dive like UA 93 and also to show its wingspan which is 185ft/56m (60ft longer than UA 93's). I also shrank the plane 20% to compensate for camera zoom in/out difference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB92iQ6yf6c

You guys really want to claim UA 93's fireball was 7x bigger than this one (assuming this one reached a football field's length)?

B-52 stats:
Length: 159 feet, 4 inches (48.5 meters)
Height: 40 feet, 8 inches (12.4 meters)
Wingspan: 185 feet (56.4 meters)
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-52.htm

Fuel capacity: 47,975 US gal (181,725 L)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-52_Stratofortress

 

[Gravy]

Gravy? Do you concur with the 7 football field peak fireball?

As I said, I'm here to discuss your claim that you can predict color changes in a mushroom cloud from a single still photo. I enjoy examining psychic claims. Since page 20 you've been promising to do an experiment. Please stop stalling and finish your first calculation so we can move on to the good stuff.

 

[Killtown]

Killtown, how much Jet B was in that MOAB you keep talking about?

That is irrelevant as to why I showed that moab blast.