Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

[kevin]

Ok, how different do you think UA 93's fireball and plume creation was? Remember, we are not concerned about size right now, only formation.

Vastly different.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

It doesn't matter, I'm just concerned about the formation of the plume.

So some of you think the plume formation UA 93 would have been susbtantually different than this B-52? How so?

I'm showing this to just demonstration how a plume is formed when the plane crashing into the ground between the min & max angles given for this experiment.

Here's some sources that may help you:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_n...?ie=UTF8&rh=n:468216,n:491718,n:491724&page=1
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_n...?ie=UTF8&rh=n:468216,n:491732,n:491740&page=1
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_n...rh=n:1000,n:53,n:11934,n:11935,n:11939&page=1

Good luck on your journey of discovery, I hope you find your rationality along the way.

 

[Hutch]

As long as we're you-tubing, I find this video interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpCGXp0SvxI

Agreed,the F16 is a much smaller aircraft and the angle and speed it hit was nothing like Flight 93...but watch how the fuel flashes and burns very quickly and note especially the shape and the bottom part of the plume...

Just for grins. Killtowns' knowledge of physics and fluid dynamics is equal too mine..but the difference is I know I am an ignoramus in that field.

Press on.

 

[rwguinn]

It doesn't matter, I'm just concerned about the formation of the plume.

So some of you think the plume formation UA 93 would have been susbtantually different than this B-52? How so?

I'm showing this to just demonstration how a plume is formed when the plane crashing into the ground between the min & max angles given for this experiment.

The B-52 crashed from a STALLED condition. It was not flying, it was falling.
Flight 93 was flying at very high speed.
The energy available to disperse the fuel was at least an order of magnitude higher in the case of Flight 93. That affects the size, shape, and duration of the fireball, which you so stupidly name "plume"

Edited for spelling

 

[Gravy]

Take away the speed for a sec, then does it look what like UA 93 would have looked like as described by all the reports the way it came down?

I'm just here waiting for Killtown to get to the "color change" part.

JREFers: Killtown, what color was it before?

Killtown: Why are you changing the subject?

 

[Killtown]

Vastly different.

How so?

 

[Killtown]

The energy available to disperse the fuel was at least an order of magnitude higher in the case of Flight 93. That affects the size, shape, and duration of the fireball

We are not worring about size right now, just formation.

What would the duration of the 93 be comparded to the B-52?

 

[Gravy]

Killtown, does your "experiment" consist of seeing how long you can go on claiming that you're doing a valid experiment, while not doing anything at all?

 

[Killtown]

I'm just here waiting for Killtown to get to the "color change" part.

Gravy, do you think the B-52 crash is similar in terms of how the formation of of the plume was made?

 

[rwguinn]

We are not worring about size right now, just formation.

What would the duration of the 93 be comparded to the B-52?

In the words of that sage, Carlos Mencia:
"Dee DE Dee!"

 

[Gravy]

Gravy, do you think the B-52 crash is similar in terms of how the formation of of the plume was made?

Perhaps you should read, oh, the last 25 pages of posts.

 

[kevin]

How so?

I'll tell you when you tell me how they were the same.

 

[Killtown]

I'll tell you when you tell me how they were the same.

Ok, plane crashes (at angle within areexperiment range), explodes into fireball, fireball rises, starts to from mushroom shape, fire burns out and turns into smoke, smoke continues to rise in mushroom shap.

K, how are they so different?

 

[Gravy]

It's been almost 24 hours since Killtown started his "experiment."

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1854401&postcount=797

How's it coming along, Killtown?

 

[Killtown]

It's been almost 24 hours since Killtown started his "experiment."

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1854401&postcount=797

How's it coming along, Killtown?

Slowly, you guys keep stalling and bickering about unrelated stuff.

 

[Killtown]

And if you guys don't like the b-52 crash example, show me a video of a plane crash that you think is more similar.

 

[Gravy]

Slowly, you guys keep stalling and bickering about unrelated stuff.

When are you going to do the work and show it, Killtown? You don't need anyone's permission for that. You're all grown up now (forgive me if I presume too much).

 

[Gravy]

And if you guys don't like the b-52 crash example, show me a video of a plane crash that you think is more similar.

Why?

Get on with it Killtown, if you think you have a valid point.

 

[Dog Town]

In the words of that sage, Carlos Mencia:

Sorry but I think his quip would be; RHEEEE....Taaaahhhhda.....aad!
Skip da Dee Da Dee!

 

[Killtown]

When are you going to do the work and show it, Killtown?

Um, what do you think I'm doing right now with this "working experiment"?

I started with a clean slate and working my way up. If you guys stop stalling, I've may have been albe to have come to some conclusions by now.