Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

Is the plume in this photo from Flight 93 crashing?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 129 90.8%
  • No.

    Votes: 13 9.2%

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Yes, it should explode into a fireball when it hits and form a mushroom cloud. You don't have to make it more complicated.

So what is that "Bruckheimer's Third Law" or something? Look, have you ever witnessed the aftermath of a car crash? In Hollywood, whenever a car crashes, it bursts into a nice big fireball. We all know that in real life, that isn't the case. In fact, cars seldom explode into flames in a crash. But sometimes they do. Two identical cars can crash at identical speeds in very similar circumstances and yet one gets engulfed in flames and the other doesn't.

If you got into a car crash in which your car burst into flames and your evil-clone insurance agent came to you and said "look, I've got video of a car just like yours crashing at very much the speed you say you were travelling, but hey, it doesn't burst into flames, does it? Obviously you torched your car after the crash in order to get the insurance!" how would you respond?

Big metal contraptions full of flammable liquids don't all behave in exactly the same way when they hit something solid at speed. You know this perfectly well from your own life experience. You say I "don't have to make it complicated" but you're missing the point (yet again). The point is that this is complicated. The non-linear dynamics of fluids and gases (like the formation of a mushroom cloud) are about the most complicated events known to man. This isn't something you can just arm-wave your way through. For all you know the precise angle at which the plane hit the ground (which would affect the sequence and direction of the impacts upon such vital elements as the fuel tanks and the engines) might play a crucial role in the size of the resultant cloud. Differences in time and place of ignition could lead to different outcomes orders of magnitude different from each other. The same is true for a myriad of other variables (just think how crucially different the precise local humidity or air-pressure might be, or what materials may have been in the plane's cargo bay). I don't know, and you clearly don't know.

And yet, on the basis of this stunning, almost complete ignorance ("hey, of course all plane crashes must look exactly alike--wow, dood, I just found a photo of a crash involving a different plane, with different fuel, that crashed at a different speed, at a different angle, in unknown but presumably different atmospheric conditions, and taken by a different camera with unknown lens, aperture, shutter-speed and film speed and the smoke cloud looks a bit different! OMG that PROVES she's a liar") you were happy to publically slander this poor woman. Do you begin to understand why people here don't have much respect for you?
 
For anyone who was not already convinced, I think that past few pages have revealed Killtown for the fraud that he is. He has no problems making accusations of complicity in murder and fraud despite not having a shred of evidence and no clue regarding the events he pontificates about. This Val plume thing is simply one example but it mirrors the others.

Killtown, you are disgraceful human being.
 
Killtown, you are disgraceful human being.

Well, certainly a human being who has behaved disgracefully. But let me just add two points.

1/ You can still do a great deal to make amends for your disgraceful behavior. Chief among these things would be to turn your blog into an abject public apology to Val McClatchey. Clearly you made an attack on her for which you had no justification whatsoever. You should make a public apology, and you should try to contact her privately to apologize as well (don't be surprised if she doesn't reply). You should also visit every 9/11 conspiracy board you have ever contributed to and make a post saying that you utterly retract your specious claims, and that you now have to acknowledge you made them based on nothing more than idle and unfounded speculation.

2/ But here's the kicker. Nobody here is asking you to drink any kind of Koolaid. If you still have suspicions about that photo, keep on researching. As I say, nobody here thinks that the photo has in any sense been "proven" authentic. Go study some physics, go read up all the information available on f.a.e. and mushroom cloud formation. Become an FAA air crash inspector. THEN, when you actually know something about what you're talking about, see if there is something in that photo which you can actually demonstrate to be inconsistent with the OV. At that point, people on this board will be happy to hear your evidence and to weigh its merits.
 
In addition to what Yoink has said, you should also retract and apologize for your anti-semitic comments about the holocaust and the dancing isrealis.
 
Well, certainly a human being who has behaved disgracefully....
Yes yes yes, of course, hate the sin, love the sinner, criticize the behavior not the person.

You are correct, perhaps killtown can reveal one, just one element of humanity to help me though.
 
The problem here is a combination of poor data and modifying the wrong assumption when the assumptions don't mesh with the data.

Assumption: Flight 93 caused that mushroom cloud.
More assumptions: A certain percentage of the fuel burned. The wind was blowing in suchandsuch a direction and at suchandsuch a speed. The fuel would burn in suchandsuch a fashion. Ms. McClatchey's time estimate of how long it took her to take the picture is correct.

Data: That one picture. The wreckage of Flight 93 near Ms. McClatchey's home. Recorded phone calls of Flight 93 passengers before the crash. The flight data recorder of Flight 93.

Synthesis: The assumptions don't all agree with the data.

Conclusion: One or more of our assumptions were incorrect.

CTist Conclusion: The assumption that that was caused by Flight 93 is incorrect.
Everyone Else's Conclusion: Our guesses about wind speed, the way the fuel burned, Ms. McClatchey's reaction time, etc. are incorrect.

The judicial system's "Reasonable Person" would have no difficulty determining which conclusion has more merit.
And neither, I like to think, do I.
 
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Just a plane crash video that shows the fuel exploding on the ground and starts to rise up in a plume formation. Ya know, like what happens from a plane crashes into the ground.
 
Killtown, have you reached a conclusion yet?
Fake photo or fake explosion?

If its the latter, why would the perps set off the nuke in an area away from where they said the plane crashed - can you at least fathom a guess?
 
Killtown, have you reached a conclusion yet?
Fake photo or fake explosion?

If its the latter, why would the perps set off the nuke in an area away from where they said the plane crashed - can you at least fathom a guess?
Nooooooo! No nukes! Please let's not go there. I don't even want think about non-radioactive micro hushaboom nukes.
 
Just a plane crash video that shows the fuel exploding on the ground and starts to rise up in a plume formation. Ya know, like what happens from a plane crashes into the ground.
Sigh. O.K., Killtown, knock yourself out. In each of the following videos we see plane crashes that result in mushroom cloud formations. No two of the fireballs/smoke plumes are alike. By your theory, I assume this means that only one of them can be real and the others are all fake, right? Because we all know that every single "real" plane crash looks exactly like every other plane crash, right? So tell us, Killtown, which ones of these are the "fakes"?

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

ETA: these are pretty disturbing to view--people are dying in almost every clip. Also, I couldn't find one in which the clip stays on the mushroom cloud for long enough to show whether or not it "separated" from the smoke column produced by the burning wreckage of the plane. Killtown will no doubt take this as "proof" that this couldn't possibly have happened in the crash of a completely different plane at completely different speeds etc. etc. etc.
 
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Killtown, have you reached a conclusion yet?
Fake photo or fake explosion?

If its the latter, why would the perps set off the nuke in an area away from where they said the plane crashed - can you at least fathom a guess?
More seriously:
A mature response from Killtown would probably look like this "In all honesty, I do not know enough about plane crashes to tell."

What we'll probably get is something like "I performed another rectal extraction, and the results were just like the first time. The plume is the wrong color, in the wrong place, and too big. I flushed the paperwork after performing the rectal extraction."
 
Let me remind you once again that nobody here thinks they have "proof" of the photo's authenticity. Nobody here thinks that there is sufficient information to demonstrate that what appears in the photograph must be the cloud from the crash of Flight 93. What everybody but you agrees upon, however is that neither you nor anyone else has presented a single, solitary reason to even begin to have a smidgen of doubt that the photo might in fact not be authentic. We also seem to be in broad agreement that your willingness to publicly slander her, while hiding behind your internet anonymity, when you apparently do not have any evidence whatsoever to support your attacks was base, cowardly, and dishonest.


Perfectly stated, Yoink.
 
Nooooooo! No nukes! Please let's not go there. I don't even want think about non-radioactive micro hushaboom nukes.

funny thing is there are so-called "micronukes" or backpack nukes
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there are no literal "radiationless" nukes that i know of, but there was at one point a "neutron bomb" that put out a ton of high-intensity but very short lived radiation (was designed to kill people but leave buildings intact)

im not gonna touch "hushaboom" with a ten-foot pole :)
 
funny thing is there are so-called "micronukes" or backpack nukes

there are no literal "radiationless" nukes that i know of, but there was at one point a "neutron bomb" that put out a ton of high-intensity but very short lived radiation (was designed to kill people but leave buildings intact)

im not gonna touch "hushaboom" with a ten-foot pole :)

They say there is no theoretical limit to how big a nuke can be, is there a limit to how small one can be?
What is the yield of one of these micronukes?
 
Cool, so I'd really say the last one would be the closest to the UA 93 crash, agreed?.
On what basis would you "say" this, Killtown? It looks nothing remotely like a plane slamming into the ground at over 500 mph to me--perhaps your computer is malfunctioning in some way?

Oh, and if this is the one that you "say" looks most like Flight 93 does that mean it's the one that you think is real (and all the others are fake--based on Bruckheimer's Third Law) or is this also one of the fakes?
 
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On what basis would you "say" this, Killtown? It looks nothing remotely like a plane slamming into the ground at over 500 mph to me--perhaps you're computer is malfunctioning in some way?
Take away the speed for a sec, then does it look what like UA 93 would have looked like as described by all the reports the way it came down?
 
funny thing is there are so-called "micronukes" or backpack nukes
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there are no literal "radiationless" nukes that i know of, but there was at one point a "neutron bomb" that put out a ton of high-intensity but very short lived radiation (was designed to kill people but leave buildings intact)

im not gonna touch "hushaboom" with a ten-foot pole :)

There was a spot where Killtown stated that it would take proof of a nuke at the flight 93 crash site or evidence of a hurricane to convince him that his conjecture about the plume is wrong. There followed then a short series of messages to the effect that now that nukes had been discussed, the CTers could possible claim WTC 7 was brought down with non-radioactive micro hushaboom nukes on the reasoning that such a thing would perfectly explain their postulated "controlled demolition" - powerful enough to take down the building without requiring great numbers of them, non radioactive because the WTC sites were not and are not radioactive, and hushabooom because no one heard them explode.

Nukes here.
 
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