Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

[Buckwheatjones]

you guys are a joke! You guys insisted that 93's crash made a HUGE monsterous hot fireball that in turn made a HUGE monsterous smoke plume that's seen in Val's photo, now you are all BACKTRACKING and saying, "well, well, not all plane crashes burn the grass."! Frickin pathetic!

Just concede that Val's plume WAS NOT caused from 93 crashing.

Looks like he's starting to implode, guys. Keep up the good work.

Now. Killtown. You're trying to achieve synchronicity between your use of photographs and ours, but the points we're making are different so your parallel is not apt.

Your attempt to use a photo of a B-52 crashing at a different angle, different speed, carrying 4-5x more fuel to illustrate a hypothetical blast where fuel spilled rather than atomized just didn't.....Fly.

My purpose is to simply show that Aircrash in close proximity to Grass or Snow doesn't always mean the Burnng of Grass or the Melting of Snow.

Your use of photos was to draw together a collection of diverse elements to illustrate a specific point and was flawed.

My use of photos is to point out a general fact that planes crash sometimes and the stuff around them doesn't always get cooked.

Now move on. What else have you got?

 

[ghost707]

Looks like he's starting to implode, guys. Keep up the good work.

Now. Killtown. You're trying to achieve synchronicity between your use of photographs and ours, but the points we're making are different so your parallel is not apt.

Your attempt to use a photo of a B-52 crashing at a different angle, different speed, carrying 4-5x more fuel to illustrate a hypothetical blast where fuel spilled rather than atomized just didn't.....Fly.

My purpose is to simply show that Aircrash in close proximity to Grass or Snow doesn't always mean the Burnng of Grass or the Melting of Snow.

Your use of photos was to draw together a collection of diverse elements to illustrate a specific point and was flawed.

My use of photos is to point out a general fact that planes crash sometimes and the stuff around them doesn't always get cooked.

Now move on. What else have you got?

Not so fast Buckwheat...............................................................

killtown has convinced me that he has never gone to high school. That has to count for something.

 

[Killtown]

answer the questions, Klown

You like how are "KLOWNED" your asses?!!!!!

 

[Dr Richard]

Killtown, I know you deal with pictures better than words and maths.

Think of the following diagram where the fireball is the red circle and the ground the black line.

Which picture do you think represents what happened when flight 93 hit the ground?

Why do you think that?

As as aside, you still haven't told us where you think the crater is in the picture you keep showing us.

 

[Hellbound]

You like how are "KLOWNED" your asses?!!!!!

So if we're "Klowned" thatmeans your argument is sound, and will stand up to scrutiny, right? It's correct, so we shouldn't be able to disprove it, yes?

Why are you afraid to talk about the crash? Why are you afraid to answer some questions?

If you put your hand into something that was 450 degrees, would you get burned?

If you put a piece of paper inside/against something that was 450 degrees, would it catch fire?

If you touched a blade of dry grass with something at, say, 600 degrees, would it always catch fire?

Are you familiar with a "grenade trench" inside a military bunker?

Or are you afraid because you don't understand where I'm going with this, because you don't have even a basic understanding of the dynamics of heat and temperature?

 

[Killtown]

Heck, for all I know the photo is proof that the McClatchey photograph is a fraud.

Yeah, you guys better HOPE it is and that the gov't had NOTHING to do with it (which nobody is going to believe!).

 

[Hellbound]

Yeah, you guys better HOPE it is and that the gov't had NOTHING to do with it (which nobody is going to believe!).

Why are you afraid to talk about the crash? Why are you afraid to answer some questions?

If you put your hand into something that was 450 degrees, would you get burned?

If you put a piece of paper inside/against something that was 450 degrees, would it catch fire?

If you touched a blade of dry grass with something at, say, 600 degrees, would it always catch fire?

Are you familiar with a "grenade trench" inside a military bunker?

Or are you afraid because you don't understand where I'm going with this, because you don't have even a basic understanding of the dynamics of heat and temperature?

 

[Killtown]

Please demonstrate conclusively that the above pictured explosion is the only viable fireball that could have occurred at the Flight 93 crashsite.

I tell you what, why don't YOU guys show ME a how Flight 93's explosion on the ground looked like.

Right now YOUR guys theory is what is in DOUBT!

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I tell you what, why don't YOU guys show ME a how Flight 93's explosion on the ground looked like.

Right now YOUR guys theory is what is in DOUBT!

We have already show educated guesses. Justify you implication that the picture you referenced is the only possible fireball that could have occurred at the Flight 93 crash site. If you can not do so, then you can not account other "forms" of fireballs that have already been listed in this thread.

 

[Killtown]

My use of photos is to point out a general fact that planes crash sometimes and the stuff around them doesn't always get cooked.

I agree cause THOSE crashes were NO WHERE near what YOU GUYS say the Flight 93 crash was like!

Ok, you guys need to prove YOUR case, cause right now you don't have much of one to explain how 93's crash caused the huge plume in Val's photo.

 

[Buckwheatjones]

Not so fast Buckwheat...............................................................

killtown has convinced me that he has never gone to high school. That has to count for something.

Well, the world needs ditch diggers too, I suppose.

 

[Hellbound]

I agree cause THOSE crashes were NO WHERE near what YOU GUYS say the Flight 93 crash was like!

Ok, you guys need to prove YOUR case, cause right now you don't have much of one to explain how 93's crash caused the huge plume in Val's photo.

Why are you afraid to talk about the crash? Why are you afraid to answer some questions?

If you put your hand into something that was 450 degrees, would you get burned?

If you put a piece of paper inside/against something that was 450 degrees, would it catch fire?

If you touched a blade of dry grass with something at, say, 600 degrees, would it always catch fire?

Are you familiar with a "grenade trench" inside a military bunker?

Or are you afraid because you don't understand where I'm going with this, because you don't have even a basic understanding of the dynamics of heat and temperature?

 

[Buckwheatjones]

...or muckrakers.

 

[Hellbound]

I'm close to heading out, so I leave it to others to carry on the argument. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this (it's all cake, after all).

Google images could also find some good photos to illustrate the "grenade trench" idea, I'm sure.

 

[Buckwheatjones]

I agree cause THOSE crashes were NO WHERE near what YOU GUYS say the Flight 93 crash was like!

Ok, you guys need to prove YOUR case, cause right now you don't have much of one to explain how 93's crash caused the huge plume in Val's photo.

If you really believe that then you haven't been reading. Now. What have you got besides,

"The cloud just LOOKS too big," and "The grass LOOKS too green?"

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I agree cause THOSE crashes were NO WHERE near what YOU GUYS say the Flight 93 crash was like!

Ok, you guys need to prove YOUR case, cause right now you don't have much of one to explain how 93's crash caused the huge plume in Val's photo.

Are you claiming that those crashes do not demonstrate fires intense enough to damage the fuselage, but that do not damage the surrounding vegetation?

 

[Killtown]

Which picture do you think represents what happened when flight 93 hit the ground?

this picture:

Which has the SAME fireball characteristics as a SIMILAR crash of that day:

Please guys, quit beating a dead horse. your theory has been DEBUNKED. Regardless as to whether 93 crashed there, just admit its crash COULD NOT have produced that MONSTEROUS plume seen in Val's pic!

 

[Class]

Why are you afraid to talk about the crash? Why are you afraid to answer some questions?

If you put your hand into something that was 450 degrees, would you get burned?

If you put a piece of paper inside/against something that was 450 degrees, would it catch fire?

If you touched a blade of dry grass with something at, say, 600 degrees, would it always catch fire?

Are you familiar with a "grenade trench" inside a military bunker?

Or are you afraid because you don't understand where I'm going with this, because you don't have even a basic understanding of the dynamics of heat and temperature?

Killtown, please answer Huntsman's questions.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I'm close to heading out, so I leave it to others to carry on the argument. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this (it's all cake, after all).

Google images could also find some good photos to illustrate the "grenade trench" idea, I'm sure.

Don't worry, we'll follow through on your Socratian example.

 

[Killtown]

We have already show educated guesses. Justify you implication that the picture you referenced is the only possible fireball that could have occurred at the Flight 93 crash site. If you can not do so, then you can not account other "forms" of fireballs that have already been listed in this thread.

Well show me YOUR fireball then. It's up to YOU guys to prove YOUR claims.