Planned Parenthood Aids Pimp's Underage Sex Ring

[deepatrax]

The only person who is wrong here is whoever came up with that lie of a thread title.

Remind me then why PPH fired the employee in the video...

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Dateline and "To Catch A Predator" lied to catch criminal acts

Just recently Mayor Boomberg sent investigators to AZ to lie at a gun show while purchasing fire arms.
....

And in neither case do we have evidence they edited videos and trumped up lies about the purported crimes. Nor do we have evidence they set out with a motive of ruining an innocent organization by finding employees who made mistakes.

If you think O'Keefe was right you should agree to shut down every hospital in the country because all of them have had employees that made serious mistakes if the hospital has been open long enough.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Remind me then why PPH fired the employee in the video...

Remind me why any employer fires an employee the employer feels made a mistake that reached the level of termination?

 

[BenBurch]

Everybody, just put the OP on ignore. He will eventually get tired of shouting down a well.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

NBC doesn't then say "Criminal probe reveals middle-aged white men are pedophiles".

See the difference?



Mayor Bloomberg doesn't then say "Criminal probe reveals gun dealers are criminals".

See the difference?

I'm betting the answer to your questions are:

No & no.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Everybody, just put the OP on ignore. He will eventually get tired of shouting down a well.

I haven't reached the point past being amused yet.

 

[johnny karate]

Remind me then why PPH fired the employee in the video...

I don't see what that has to do with the lie you told in the thread title since your lie of a thread title makes no such distinctions.

 

[Howie Felterbush]

That guy sure seemed like he needed a lot of help with his fake underage sex ring.

I guess Snoop Dogg was right, pimpin' ain't easy.

 

[tyr_13]

Obviously the only correct thing for the woman to do would have been to shoot the pimp under the table with her blaster Torus Judge.

 

[Rufo]

Obviously the only correct thing for the woman to do would have been to shoot the pimp under the table with her blaster Torus Judge.

There'd still be a thread furiously debating who shot first.

 

[ZirconBlue]

That guy sure seemed like he needed a lot of help with his fake underage sex ring.

I guess Snoop Dogg was right, pimpin' ain't easy.

Hey, it's hard out there for a pimp.


Or so I've heard.

 

[tyr_13]

There'd still be a thread furiously debating who shot first.

You'd have to ask George Lucas.

Hey, it's hard out there for a pimp.


Or so I've heard.

Gator needs his gat!

 

[A Laughing Baby]

I'm still waiting on Deepatrax to admit that his hopeful outcome from this situation is defunding/shutdown of PP in the style of the ACORN debacle.

 

[Babbylonian]

Remind me then why PPH fired the employee in the video...

Probably because it was expedient in a public relations sense.

I have a hard time imagining how to implement a standard operating procedure in ridiculous situations (somehow I doubt that people who actually pimp out underage children even consider soliciting advice from Planned Parenthood) like the one presented. On the one hand it might seem appropriate to tell the "pimp" that the organization doesn't deal with criminals or facilitate criminal acts in any way, ending the discussion. That's certainly the safest course if the goal is protecting the organization from any perception of impropriety.

On the other hand, if the organization's purpose is to help people who need it (and who would be more in need of help, medical and otherwise, than an abused child?) then trying to find a way to provide that help could override concerns about helping, or appearing to help, a criminal.

The situation is a lot more complicated than some make it out to be. If this hurts Planned Parenthood as a whole -- an organization I consider particularly admirable given how distasteful so much of American society finds the situations they deal with -- it would be an injustice.

 

[Ziggurat]

Bear in mind that Planned Parenthood reported these actions to the FBI a week ago.

Looks like they've learned something from their previous failures to follow the law and report cases of statutory rape.

 

[TraneWreck]

Looks like they've learned something from their previous failures to follow the law and report cases of statutory rape.

Stupid law. They should be given full freedom to help the patients in front of them, regardless of how they ended up there.

 

[Ziggurat]

Stupid law. They should be given full freedom to help the patients in front of them, regardless of how they ended up there.

And how, precisely, do you think not reporting the victims of statutory rape helps them? Did it ever occur to you that stopping them from being raped might actually be the best way to help them? We aren't talking about cases where a 17 year old girl gets pregnant from her 19 year old boyfriend, either.

Besides which, it isn't Planned Parenthood's place to decide which laws they should follow and which they can ignore. If they think the laws are stupid, then lobby to get them changed. But while they're in place, they have a legal obligation to follow them. Which... they did not. It appears that they're wising up, but they're doing so precisely because they were (rightly) exposed and condemned for failing to in the past.

 

[tyr_13]

And how, precisely, do you think not reporting the victims of statutory rape helps them? Did it ever occur to you that stopping them from being raped might actually be the best way to help them? We aren't talking about cases where a 17 year old girl gets pregnant from her 19 year old boyfriend, either.

Besides which, it isn't Planned Parenthood's place to decide which laws they should follow and which they can ignore. If they think the laws are stupid, then lobby to get them changed. But while they're in place, they have a legal obligation to follow them. Which... they did not. It appears that they're wising up, but they're doing so precisely because they were (rightly) exposed and condemned for failing to in the past.

And that's why he said should.

 

[ponderingturtle]

And how, precisely, do you think not reporting the victims of statutory rape helps them? Did it ever occur to you that stopping them from being raped might actually be the best way to help them? We aren't talking about cases where a 17 year old girl gets pregnant from her 19 year old boyfriend, either.

Well we are, possibly not exclusively but those are included in reporting statutory rape. Hell there are plenty of times when people rape each other they, why shouldn't they be reported? It is a serious felony that they are both committing.

 

[TraneWreck]

And how, precisely, do you think not reporting the victims of statutory rape helps them? Did it ever occur to you that stopping them from being raped might actually be the best way to help them? We aren't talking about cases where a 17 year old girl gets pregnant from her 19 year old boyfriend, either.

That's not the job of the health care provider. Just because they cannot solve all problems in a given situation, that doesn't mean they should be hampered from solving any.

I agree with you that the best way to deal with these issues is to stop such crimes in the first place. Planned Parenthood workers are not, however, the people tasked with that responsibility. If you were suggesting devoting more funds to SRS investigators and law enforcement officials, I wouldn't disagree.

All you manage to do when forcing PP to report is scare girls and young women from going to them for help. Yes, it's horrible that they've been raped, but intimidating them from seeking medical help solves nothing.

As a lawyer I've had many clients confess their crimes to me. It's a very odd position to be in as I've often possessed information that could easily convict an actual criminal. I am obligated, however, to keep that information confidential and make the state prove their case. There are certain principles that must be held higher than just outcome if just process is to be maintained. Lawyer-client privilege is on such principle.

Similarly, health care providers should not be charged with the additional duty to be law enforcement officials. They need to have the freedom to treat people in need.

Besides which, it isn't Planned Parenthood's place to decide which laws they should follow and which they can ignore. If they think the laws are stupid, then lobby to get them changed. But while they're in place, they have a legal obligation to follow them. Which... they did not. It appears that they're wising up, but they're doing so precisely because they were (rightly) exposed and condemned for failing to in the past.

Technically speaking, that woman should have been fired. It's a shame that such a technicality exists.

Bush and Cheney technically commited war crimes by admitting to waterboarding, but I don't see a surge of movement on the right to have such laws followed in every detail. Sometimes humans are presented with situations where the law runs contrary to their understanding of morality. Obviously consistency of the law is important, which is why I understand the firing, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with the underlying law.