Pilots For 9/11 Truth Present Their Math

I hope they won't do calculation using Microsoft flight simulator... (or any simulation game...)

Maybe they will complet their calcualtion on 22.12.2012.

And outcome will be that plane flew through petrol station...
 
Maybe because the court is picking the Jury?

For that we now check the Lawyers for 911 Truth and, lo and behold, nope, no court cases pending that I can find.

Just a lame petition asking for an 'new investigation' of 9/11.

You'd think that if anyone could develop a case when the TM tells us over and over again how obvious MIHOP is, it would be the lawyers in that group.

Once again a FAIL!!
 
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For that we now check the Lawyers for 911 Truth and, lo and behold, nope, no court cases pending that I can find.


Hmmm... well, that's not entirely accurate. One of CIT's witnesses has allegedly filed a lawsuit using a retired Lawyer from Lawyers for 911 Truth:

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Career Army officer sues Rumsfeld, Cheney, saying no evacuation order given on 9/11[/FONT]

On behalf of retired Army officer April Gallop, California attorney William Veale has filed a civil suit against former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Vice President Dick Cheney and former US Air Force General Richard Myers, who was acting chairman of the joint chiefs on 9/11. It alleges they engaged in conspiracy to facilitate the terrorist attacks and purposefully failed to warn those inside the Pentagon, contributing to injuries she and her two-month-old son incurred.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/911_survivor_blasts_Rumsfeld_Cheney_No_1217.html





http://lawyersfor911truth.blogspot.com/
William Veale.
Bill Veale is a former instructor of Criminal Trial Practice at Boalt Hall School of Law, University of California at Berkeley, with an 11-year teaching career. Retired Chief Assistant Public Defender, Contra Costa County, California 31-year career.​



 
Not Berkeley! I'm shocked, shocked, shocked I tell you!

I wonder how the math is coming along over at PfffT?
 
It alleges they engaged in conspiracy to facilitate the terrorist attacks and purposefully failed to warn those inside the Pentagon, contributing to injuries she and her two-month-old son incurred.

This lawyer is going to attempt to prove that the defendants knew or at least suspected that an aircraft was going to target the Pentagon and that they deliberatly did not order an evacuation in order to increase the death toll which they could use for political gain?

Good luck with that.

With the attacks in NYC one could argue that Rummy et al could at least suspect that there might be another aircraft targeting the Pentagon and the Whitehouse. That much is true.
This would not however support a MIHOP senario, only a callous disregard for the personell under their command. I could buy into callous disregard as a possibility and perhaps even being proven satisfactorily for this lawsuit.

Furthermore, Rumsfeld and ,IIRC, General Myers, were both in the Pentagon at the time the aircraft hit the building (and Cheney was in the White House). In order to prove that they actually knew for certain that the building they were in were targeted by the terrorists ( thus showing LIHOP at least) the litigant will have to show not only how they knew that but also how it was that they knew they would be safe even if they remained in the buildings.

Rumsfeld never left his office until impact. In order to prove MIHOP then not only does Rumsfeld have to shown to have known about the targeting of the Pentagon but also the exact part of the building that the plane was to hit (which is the only way to show MIHOP) and that he could have enough confidence in that to allow him to remain in his office. That or show that Rumsfeld was enough of a zealot to set himself up as a potential martyr.

This is the best the TM can muster?

What would be the defence?
Well for starters the men remained in their respective buildings. They will strongly state that they are not the type to seek martyrdom.

They will show the number of threats to the Pentagon and the White House that are identified every year. This was yet another one.

They will speak about the fact that they needed their respective organizations to be up and running on Sept 11/01 and that ordering an evacuation would have compromised that effort. The White House was eventually evacuated showing that as the events of the day unfolded that measure was taken to ensure the large number of civilians in that building were safe, much as was the case with the Capitol building.

Far from desiring a higher death toll, Rumsfeld and Myers could argue that the USA was under attack and that the Pentagon is a military installation, not a civilian one and that during an attack it must continue to operate at full capacity.
 
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Somewhat schizoid as well.

the concrete objective was to facilitate and enable the hijacking of the airliners, and their use as living bombs to attack buildings containing thousands of innocent victims; and then to cover up the truth about what they had done
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To cause and arrange for high explosive charges to be detonated inside the Pentagon, and/or a missile of some sort to be fired at the building, at or about the time the wayward airliner supposedly arrived there, to give the false impression that hijackers had crashed the plane into the building, as had apparently happened in New York


hmmm suicide aircraft that they arranged for, or a missile, or a bomb

Gonna be hard to prove MIHOP if they cannot even decide on a mode by which the crime was committed.

Bobert, you're not suggesting that the TM scrapes the bottom of the barrel when it comes to lawyering up are you? (shocked smiley)
 
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Bobert, you're not suggesting that the TM scrapes the bottom of the barrel when it comes to lawyering up are you? (shocked smiley)
Well I dont know exactly but I would not at all be surprised to see this guy as their attorney:
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Huh, a week ago PfffT was gloating about how they were just about done with their math, just needed to dot a few i's and cross a few t's... and yet we have nothing.

I'm shocked, shocked, shocked!
 
Huh, a week ago PfffT was gloating about how they were just about done with their math, just needed to dot a few i's and cross a few t's... and yet we have nothing.

I'm shocked, shocked, shocked!

On Dec 15 we had "not much longer to wait" so maybe TF and PfT intend this to be a Christmas present for their following. Not only will there be a "tech note" concerning the range of flight paths that PfT will do the calculations for but there will also be (naturally) a video animation to accompany this 'tech note'.

Although they may chafe at the fact that we speculate on how they will deal with the situation, the fact remains that all we can do is speculate until they actually release something, anything.

Craig was telling us that there was a stupendous, blow-your-mind revalation coming for months before "Pentacon" finally came out and it was a frankly a huge disappointment.

Now, although it has been the better part of a year that we having been requesting some math for a NoC flight path, which is consistent with the eyewitness statements, it is still taking them weeks to put something together. It seems that PfT does not consider technical details are worth anything unless they accompany it with an animation.

I wonder if the old, embarassingly erroneous, 11 G page will be finally withdrawn once the intrepid brain trust manages to get this next attempt at math, physics and aerodynamics completed?
 
William Veale said:
Defendant Rumsfeld also made a striking prediction of the attack, as if speaking compulsively about his secret knowledge, that very morning, and several days later, he publicly referred to the “missile” that hit the Pentagon.


Oh lordy, not that old chestnut!

Parade.com said:
The Internet, too, is a potent tool for spreading conspiracy theories. PARADE found this out after Lyric Wallwork Winik interviewed Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in Oct. 2001. In a transcript of Winik's interview with Rumsfeld, which was published on the Department of Defense's Web site, Rumsfeld seemed to indicate that the Pentagon was hit by a missile on 9/11 instead of a plane. It turns out that a transcription error led to the confusion, but conspiracy theorists latched onto Rumsfeld's supposed admission and spread it over the Internet.

http://web.archive.org/web/20041030031047/archive.parade.com/2004/0905/0905_intelligence.html

Transcribed as: "Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center."

Which obviously should be: "Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens as a missile to damage this building and similar [planes?] that damaged the World Trade Center."

Even in the original transcript, "(inaudible)" indicates that the transcriber had trouble understanding the recording.
 
I recently watched part of Pentacon again and I see I have a correction to make. Seems Turcois does initially say that the plane came by the trees just north of the station. This is contrary to my comments that Turcois initially pointed south. I have to watch the rest of his statement again though.

ETA: I see that over at PfT, TF has attributed this to Beachnut. I do not recall Beachnut saying this.

In light of 911files' analysis of the Citgo video though it seems this is a moot point. Farmer describes how Turcois is in the video and rather than run towards to the Pentagon as he says he did in 'Pentacon', he is seen to be running towards the Citgo building. In light of this how accurate can anything he says be?
 
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I see there is no math at the PffffT site. Shocked! I would have thunk that by now they would have pwned the hell out of us GLs. Oh well, I am sure it is coming.
 
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hoo-boy!! I watched Turcois, Lagasse and Brooks in Pentacon again. Read 911files' analysis of their statements, confirmed that what Farmer says is in the video is true, watched the Citgo security video several times to see if I could see what Farmer describes (difficult due to the poor quality, but yes it all can be seen).

I would have very little to quibble about in his analysis of the statements.

Now that's an hour + that I won't get back again.

I commend 911files for the work put into it.

PfT makes much of the fact that we all condemned Farmer in the past and now we like him. Fact is when he was wrong we condemned his errors. Now that he has indeed corrected his work we applaud him. This is completely counter to the way PfT operates. They still have the "11g" page up with but a lame disclaimer that corrections will be forthcoming. No web page has ever been forthcoming with any corrections to their math on the erroneous page. Instead they produced a video with its own problems which they have also never addressed. It seems that PfT is simply unwilling to remove what they already know to be gross error on their part or correct the math for the flight path considered on that page.
 
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Still no sign of the math over at the PfffT forum. I do notice that "DwightShrute" has been banned for having the nerve to bring up the subject.

I'm beginning to think there won't be any math coming and I am shocked, shocked, shocked!
 
Still no math!?

A week ago turbo said "Not much more to wait, I promise! "

*yawn*

I wonder if we can expect it sometime this year...
 

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