Pilots For 9/11 Truth Present Their Math

[A W Smith]

The math? For what reason? But but but . . . . one of your own people (e^n) already proved the actual flight path Over the Naval Annex and North of the Citgo possible, didn't he? Isn't this just one more gigantic hole in the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY? Aren't there hundreds of such holes?

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/flight%20path/pentagonleastforce801.jpg

PS: All the Truthers send their love and say thanks for all the publicity.


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Wasn't it you SPreston that pointed out my path was physically impossible? You remember? the slight banking dip described by witnesses (in the opposite direction I might add) just before the impact? Would you like me to retrieve that post of yours from the invision board?

This path?

 

[jaydeehess]

AWSmith, does Morin not state that the plane was over Columbia Pike as it went by? That would put the plane in a better position to make that final slight left bank. Morin's account is consistent with where Paik, who was near the other end of the Annex from where morin was, points for the path the plane took. Here we have two witnesses with very closely matching descriptions, even though Paik later draws a path on a piece of paper that puts it more in line with your picture above.

On your point to SP, if that slight left bank is not possible then certainly the bank that would be required for the path that e^n drew would not be possible especially if the aircraft would later be required to be in a slight left bank as it met the Pentagon wall.(described by several witnesses as having occured)

Fact is that in order to satisfy all their witness statements CiT will have to have the plane flying very close to the side of the Annex where Paik and Morin were. If then the plane went to the north of the Citgo it will have to have performed a near vertical bank something not reported by ant witness anywhere let alone by those who were at the Citgo such as Lagasse and Brooks.

If the plane did not bank steeply then it had to remain closer to Columbia Pike and that allows for a near straight on shot to the Pentagon impact site. It also allows for all witnesses to have seen the plane.

Those in the Arlington Cemetary simply saw a plane higher than the Annex and mistook the distance to the plane thus describing it as to the north of or directly over the Annex. If they were correct though then Morin and probably Paik could not have seen the aircraft let alone described the path they did.

Turcois' statement orginally puts the aircraft to the south of his position. Craig leads him to change his mind.
IMHO Tucois statement is unreliable. Farmer puts Turcois as running towards the Citgo rather than towards the Pentagon anyway.

The witnesses in the south parking lot do not describe a fly over the parking lot. they describe an aircraft that passed out of their line of sight when it went by the SE corner of the building. One of them states he saw the lamp posts get hit. It is truly a thing of amazement what contortions the CiT will put the witness statements through in order to twist them to their own politically driven needs.

 

[TjW]

And where does the "flyover witness" who placed the plane over the south parking lot fit in with that?

And I'll note that e^n's math didn't account for the changes in altitude claimed by CIT. And you do realize that even with this simpolified flight path (which is not the CIT flight path) the plane would be banking damn near sideways, which no one reported.

Nobody?

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I've been to a lot of airshows, yet for me, something the size of flight 77 at 300 mph in a 75 degree bank at low altitude would be a memorable experience.

Instead of the 10 or 15 degrees away from horizontal demonstrated with the model, the wings of any aircraft flying e^n's flight path would be 15 degrees away from vertical. Yet both interviewees show a shallow angle of bank.

So, if we can trust their recollection of what they saw, the flight path flown was nowhere near the flight path used for e^n's calculations.

 

[BCR]

I'm just wondering, if the plane did an extreme starboard turn and then flew through or close to the impact zone, then does an extreme pull-up and over maneuver, would that not put it on almost a direct bearing for Reagan?

Does anyone have the ATC audio of the DCA controllers screaming at the other air traffic in the area in direct line of this crazy loose-cannon plane flying into their congested air traffic areas?

Just asking questions.

 

[Horatius]

Wasn't Newton the head of the Illuminati (or was it the Priory of Sion) according to Dan Brown? It all makes perfect sense if you think about it.

Well, he was in charge of the Mint for a while, which is an obvious ancestor to the Fed.....I'll let you connect the dots.....

 

[bje]

PS: All the Truthers send their love and say thanks for all the publicity.

There's a rumor going around that CIT is having a going-out-of-business sale on DVDs.

Are you trying to drum up business?

 

[Baylor]

The math? For what reason? But but but . . . . one of your own people (e^n) already proved the actual flight path Over the Naval Annex and North of the Citgo possible, didn't he? Isn't this just one more gigantic hole in the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY? Aren't there hundreds of such holes?

PS: All the Truthers send their love and say thanks for all the publicity.

I used to think CIT were a couple of lost souls looking for attention. Now I've come to realize that they might be on to something. That NoC flight path matches perfectly what "flyover witness" Roberts said.

Gotta love all that "corroboration." [/sarcasm]

 

[dtugg]

So, somebody started a thread at the PfffT forum about this. Cap'n Bob thinks it is one of us, and perhaps so. But for some insane reason, no flightpath and the math to prove it's possible was presented and Cap'n Bob closed the thread.

 

[Baylor]

So there's a mole at P4T, huh? It's like the movie Scream, everybody's a suspect.

 

[Bobert]

Well, he was in charge of the Mint for a while, which is an obvious ancestor to the Fed.....I'll let you connect the dots.....

Then the JOOOOOOOOOS took over EVERYTHING!
Am I connecting the dots correctly?

 

[Bobert]

There's a rumor going around that CIT is having a going-out-of-business sale on DVDs.

Are you trying to drum up business?

BUT!
Where they ever IN BUSINESS to begin with?

 

[BCR]

I don't know Bobert, TB seems mighty upset with you.

You will see that the math will be presented and I'm not running AT ALL.

I'm even calling them out to debates as you will read in the threads.

Funny how I was banned when asking Macgyver to debate our experts and that I would provide a possible North approach
scenario.

Coincidence?

Naaaa....

You can read through the PM's linked up top and also check Boberts behaviour through the forums. Tell me if I was out of
line for telling the child to stop following me around and posting garbage in tech threads.

Just remember, life goes on without the govt loyalist site. Soon Reheat (rearheat) and the rest of those crybabies will get put in their place.

Be afraid, be very afraid...

 

[Bobert]

So there's a mole at P4T, huh? It's like the movie Scream, everybody's a suspect.

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[Bobert]

WOW the kids have a super duper cool nickname for us.
We are not "GL's" as in "government loyalists"

Do you regularly sign up to forums with a spam harvester IP? Do you regularly type almost word for word the arguments of GL's? You just signed up to this forum today you are very familiar with the term GL trying to argue their points. What do you think that means

 

[WildCat]

I don't know Bobert, TB seems mighty upset with you.



Be afraid, be very afraid...

Oh noes! Turbofan is finally going to present his math!

 

[Bobert]

I dont want to harp on Turbofans ban but I made it very clear to him that I was going to report his PM's. I even went as far as to tell him that abusive PM's violate the MA.
He responded that he felt that the PM's between the both of us were priviate and not covered my the MA.
I pointed out to him that this was incorrect and that every PM that we receive has a "report PM" button.
He then continued to attack me and all that I replied with was "reported" yet he continued.
He sunk as low as to make a joke about my mother.
He has no character and zero class.

 

[The Big Dog]

"So let it be known that CIT does not support the efforts of Turbofan or anyone to speculate values and answer to the GL's irrelevant pointless demands that have absolutely NO BEARING on the evidence.'

AHAHAHAHA!!!!

"So let it be known that CIT does not support the efforts of Turbofan or anyone to speculate values and answer to the GL's irrelevant pointless demands that have absolutely N"O BEARING on the evidence."

Oh my god, i never thought they would admit it!

They know the math would not work!!!!!

"So let it be known that CIT does not support the efforts of Turbofan or anyone to speculate values and answer to the GL's irrelevant pointless demands that have absolutely NO BEARING on the evidence."

"So let it be known that CIT does not support the efforts of Turbofan or anyone to speculate values and answer to the GL's irrelevant pointless demands that have absolutely NO BEARING on the evidence."

Hey SPreston, where are your gods now!!!!

FAIL!!!!

God, i love to run mutts to earth.

 

[Bobert]

Has anyone posted this revelation by Craig over at ATS.
I am curious what they will have to say about this.

 

[Bobert]

What is with the CIT and their supporters and jokes about people mothers?
From Criag to 16.5

16.5 must have gotten a beating from his mom tonight and decided to lash out while of course making himself look like a fool in the process

 

[SPreston]

Wasn't it you SPreston that pointed out my path was physically impossible? You remember? the slight banking dip described by witnesses (in the opposite direction I might add) just before the impact?

That's because you were tied to the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY. Your flight path had to adhere to the OFFICIAL FLIGHT 77 FLIGHT PATH and jink all over the hillside and lawn just a few feet above ground level. You would have buried an engine or wing tip, and completely missed the light poles anyway. Come on and try to be honest about it. Your flight path was impossible and nothing like what the ANC witnesses testified to and nothing like the flight path the FAA has now admitted to. Your flight path was no better than Reheat's nonsense setting up some strawman flight path based on his disjointed imagination.

You cannot fly over the Naval Annex and then somehow get back to the first light pole. You are banking right and then left much faster than the control surfaces can react; especially at the official speed of 535 mph. One gradual bank to the right is much simpler the two quick opposing banks in a shorter distance. Get real.