Physical evidence that a plane did NOT hit the Pentagon

[Totovader]

Getting more to the point- you have claimed that you have evidence that a plane did not hit the Pentagon.

So far you have only supplied what you see as reasons to doubt that a plane hit the Pentagon- which are all easily debunked.

So far it's all been a large dose of argumentum ad ignorantium- so I'm waiting patiently for you to actually get some evidence.

You claim it was a missile bomb. Where is the evidence of a missile bomb?

See how easy that was?

Now answer the question. It's far too important for you to continue to ignore it- and it's far too damaging to your claim to simply assert that you do not need any evidence.

 

[apathoid]

I love how Lytes physcial evidence of a plane not hitting the Pentagon is actually physical evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon.

 

[kookbreaker]

Lyte would have made a great character in Charlie and the Chocolate factory.

"Ooompa-Loompa Conspiracy Loon
I've got a wacky theory for yoo...

 

[Anti-sophist]

Being a NWO engineer, myself, allow me to conduct a mental experiment...

The easiest way to get...

1. Alot of realistic looking plane damage
2. Alot of realistic looking plane debris
3. Jet-fuel everywhere
4. Dead bodies from the plane
5. Lightpoles on entry knocked down
6. Tons of eye-witnesses seeing a plane
7. Consistent FDR data

... is to crash a plane into the pentagon.

It's about 10 million times more difficult to NOT crash the plane and fake all of this. This is just mind boggling for me.

It's like the famous quote about faking moon rocks that goes something like.... It's easier to develop a space program to get real moon rocks then it is to develop the technology to fake them.

 

[Unsecured Coins]

I love how Lytes physcial evidence of a plane not hitting the Pentagon is actually physical evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

You call those "large" pieces??

Haven't seen too many jets in your day?

You must be a homebody.

A-hem:

Not too many years ago I witnessed a crash of a modest-sized military helicopter. I watched it go almost vertical into the tarmac less than two city blocks from where I was standing. Made quite a sound, not to mention an impressive, black smoke cloud. All that was left on the smudged ground were a few charred bits, the total of which would probably have fit in a carry-on suitcase.

Really now. Are you somehow proud of your ignorance?

 

[Vincent Vega]

this picture is one of the best showing the damage to the facade IMO.

You can see the two armored windows (shattered) and spall liner hanging loose where the fuselage penetrated the facade. The remains of that vertical beam would have sliced the mostly empty volume of the cabin in two.

You can see where the wing laden with fuel and engines punched through the facade, removing some structrual I-beams and leaving others and the wing outside that simply disintergrated, while lightly damaging the facade.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

You see CHF.....that's the whole point.

I know it's kind of hard for a raccoon to understand but the plane they saw could not possibly have created the physical damage so that means it couldn't have hit the building.

The witnesses were simply fooled into believing it did because of the timing.

It was a sleight of hand illusion.

Don't you JREF'ers get into those types of things?

You know......magic tricks.

"The witnesses were fooled."

"Slight of hand illusion."

2. The big ass plane was extremely huge, obvious, historical, significant, incredible, mind blowing, outrageous, memorable beyond belief, and was the entire focus of the event.

And yet it pulled up at the very last second, was hidden by the momentary fireball, and somehow never spied afterward.

This'd all be funny if it weren't so inane.

 

[kookbreaker]

"The witnesses were fooled."

"Slight of hand illusion."

Translation: "A wizard did it. Don't ask me how."

You know, when David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty dissappear there are lots of theories out there of how he did it, all of which would have work, and all of them depending on a limited view of the scene by the audience.

When David Blaine does a 'Levitation' he depends on the mark seeing him from just one angle. If the mark were to walk a few feet left or right, the illusion is busted. Its a fact of life with many, many tricks and illusions.

YET SOMEHOW THE EEEVIL CONSPIRACISTS MANAGED TO USE "MAGIC TRICKS" TO FOOL HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, THEIR CAMERAS, IN A 360 DEGREE RANGE AROUND THE PENTAGON!

Lyte Tripper's nonsense reminds me of one of the old complaints about the Randi million dollar challenge. The whiner would complain that since Randi was a magician he would use his slight of hand skills to prevent the powers from working. I would ask the whiner how he would do this and they'd just say "He's a magician...you figure it out." I never got details of how Randi was supposed to do this.

If I pressed them, it'd make them look even more silly. I would ask them how it would work on say a spoon bender. Randi would set things up to prevent slight of hand trickery, but anyone who actually posessed real psychi powers would bend the spoon with their mindpower and leave Randi flabbergasted. I asked how Randi would stop this from happening and they'd get surly: 'He's a magician...don't be stupid' or 'Dont be naive!! He could do it!'. Apparently being a magician confers superpowers.

No matter what the setup, the whiner could never come up with any mechanism Randi could use to prevent actual paranormal powers, had they existed.

Lyte Trip is in the same boat. He'll never, ever, ever, ever come up with a Mechanism for how his plane flew over the Pentagon, fooled all the witnesses, knocked over lamp posts, left passenger DNA inside the Pentagon, etc. etc.

Instead, he will berate us for not figuring out the mechanism for this trick in an effort to hide the fact that what he is describing is physically impossible to achieve. I predict if we press him on this issue he will become more and more surly and aggressive about it. Eventualy, he might try to come up with some mechanism that will be utterly laughable.

But I doubt it. He'll most likely just make harder and greater accusations of us being dumb to cover the fact that his own arguements couldn't possibly work.

 

[HyJinX]

Simply put...the preponderance of evidence and eye-witness testimony is completely NOT in your favor, Lyte. Your 4 witnesses are simply wrong in their recollections. It happens everyday. It happens to everybody at some point. To build a case on these 4 witnesses which, in my opinion, is some of the most outlandish wooism ever documented...is purely a waste of everyone's time....mostly yours and theirs.

There's nothing believable or acceptable about your theory. It completely goes against rational thinking and rational deduction. Poor research. Unsupported claims. Outlandish speculation and a complete disregard for facts, evidence, hard data and irrefutable proof.

Stop your insanity.

 

[rikzilla]

Hey Lyte, you're soooo right! Here's something I just found which blows the lid off the Jewish/NWO/Illuminati reign of terror!

 

[Disbelief]

kook, haven't you watched Mindfreak? They had Cris Angel set it up for them.

 

[VespaGuy]

The witnesses were simply fooled into believing it did because of the timing.

It was a sleight of hand illusion.

Don't you JREF'ers get into those types of things?

You know......magic tricks.

You keep saying this Lyte, but haven't shown how this illusion is remotely possible. You have your little animation of a plane flying towards the Pentagon and dissappearing into a fireball, but you conviniently stop the animation at this point.

What happens AFTER that animation?

How woould it look from other angles?

 

[Alt+F4]

Three letters that PROVE AA77 crashed into the Pentagon: D N A

You have NO PROOF that there was a chain of custody problem with the passenger's DNA and bodies.

In another thread someone made a point (which you ignored) which needs repeating: Do you think DNA was tampered with in this case only or in all cases involving DNA. Should every rapist convicted on DNA evidence be freed?

 

[Mancman]

The columns are blown UP AND OUTWARDS.

[qimg]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/074-large.jpg[/qimg]

Are you certain those objects are remnants of the columns and not horizontal wall sections, which have become dislodged and are hanging downward?

 

[Bobert]

Lyte,
Will you be submitting your "Researchers Editoin" to Cannes or Sundance?

 

[HyJinX]

Lyte,
Will you be submitting your "Researchers Editoin" to Cannes or Sundance?

...or Rosie?

 

[CurtC]

Because the official story says the plane was tilted and entered entirely under the first two floors:

[qimg]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/138b.jpg[/qimg]

Wait - you claim that the plane entered entirely under the first two floors, then you support that with a graphic that shows the plane going right into the first two floors? How can you even fantasize that this supports your claim?

To suggest a 6 ton titanium engine that slams into a concrete slab is going to leave it perfectly intact is absurd.

The lower part of the engine first hit the low concrete wall around the air vent, away from the Pentagon. I would expect that to cause the engine to begin a tumbling upwards, but even if it hadn't done that, are you really saying that you would expect an engine to burrow edge-wise through a thick concrete slab for a significant distance? Note that we can't make out the very edge of the slab in your photo to see if the edge was damaged.

The columns are blown UP AND OUTWARDS.

[qimg]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/074-large.jpg[/qimg]

They are? They look like they're leaning inwards and to the left to me, which is in the line of flight of AA77. Note that they're severed at the bottom, not the top, so you might be interpreting an inwards-leaning column suspended from its top, as an outwards-leaning one resting on its bottom. Is that what's going on here?

 

[DavidJames]

Lyte,
Will you be submitting your "Researchers Editoin" to Cannes or Sundance?

The only people we can be sure Lyte will not submit his video are those that would actually be able do something with it.

Why?

Simple, he knows he will be either laughed at, completely humiliated and possibly face legal action (libel/slander/copyright infringement/whatever). That would seriously damage his ego and profit motive.

Why?

Why are vendors on the streets selling Rolex's out of suitcases and not to buyers from department stores. Same reason.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Sorry to quote myself, everybody, but I'm still really interested in having Lyte Trip answer these questions.

1) Exactly how large do you expect the pieces of such a crash to be?

2) What reason do you have for answering question 1 as you did (will)?

Keep in mind that of any photos of plane crashes you chose topost for comparison, most other crashes occur either right after take-off or just before landing, at lower speeds. Those that don't are generally cases where the pilot doesn't want to crash, and is attempting to avoid it.

For comparison, then, you will need to find photo evidence of crashes at a relatively high speed. And you will need to show that it is typical for such crashes to leave an abundance of larger pieces than those that were found at the Pentagon.

Finally, you will need to show how your theory is more likely and fits more evidence than any other theory out there.