Physical evidence that a plane did NOT hit the Pentagon

I find it highly amusing that Lyte Trip says...

Now everyone is well aware that there is zero evidence that any large pieces of aircraft were found at all

...as an introduction to the 9 photographs of such evidence.
 
Why did they report the plane on the north of the citgo?

Only one of the claims can be correct.

Read the OP in the Lagasse/Brooks thread for a list of reasons why it's more likely that the north side claim is correct.

FINALLY...​

You admit that the majority of witness contradict your "north of the Citgo" story.

Jeez- took ya long enough.
 
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And what do you think a foundation is?

:D:D:D:D

Too funny.

Ummmmmm........not columns?
:p


I can't believe I have to do this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_(architecture)


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FINALLY...​

You admit that the majority of witness contradict your "north of the Citgo" story.

Jeez- took ya long enough.

Whaaaaaaaat?

Where did I say anything remotely resembling such a thing?

First you think a foundation is a column and now you are pretending I am saying things I didn't even say.

Are you off your meds dude?
 
:D:D:D:D

Too funny.

Ummmmmm........not columns?
:p


I can't believe I have to do this:

So, you're ignoring the columns- in addition to the requirement that you actually support your statements?

Why would you expect the floor to be damaged any more than it was?

(And, by the way- look at your own photographs. You are pointing to the columns when you state "foundation"- which is why I was assuming your definition was not quite so literal. Consider your own statements before you go pretending to "have to do" anything.)
 
I find it highly amusing that Lyte Trip says...

"Now everyone is well aware that there is zero evidence that any large pieces of aircraft were found at all"

...as an introduction to the 9 photographs of such evidence.

You call those "large" pieces??

Haven't seen too many jets in your day?

You must be a homebody.
 
Column?

We are talking about the FOUNDATION. Read slower.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/foundation2.jpg

Dear oh dear, Lyte you're no better at construction than you are at eyewitness testimony.

Just a word to the wise, don't mention the lack of damage to a buildings foundations again, certainly not in this context, because it really does not make you look very......bright.

For the record, the foundation of a structure provides a stable base upon which the superstructure is built.

Dmage to a foundation would normally only occur through ground movement such as earthquakes or subsidence.

A plane hitting a building is very unlikely to cause any damage to what is (probably) a mass of concrete buried in the ground.

Also, your killklown impersonation of "where's the damage from the tailplane" further indicates that you are speaking from a position of personal incredulity rather than expertise.

Something to consider with regard to aircraft:

You know that an aircraft derives lift from it's wings, right?
So effectively the wings are supporting the fuselage of the plane.
So, if you wanted to lift an aircraft with, for example, a crane, you could do so by lifting the wings.

I make these points to indicate that the wing structure is not fragile but is sturdy enough to carry the loading of the aircraft.

However, the tail is a relatively flimsy construction, and smashing the tail section into a building at high speed is likely to leave very little recogniseable tail pieces, and the tip of the tail is unlikely to cause a great deal of damage to the wall it hits.

To summarize:

Wings = strong and cause lots of damage as they disintegrate

Tail = weak and cause little damage as it disintegrates
 
Whaaaaaaaat?

Where did I say anything remotely resembling such a thing?

First you think a foundation is a column and now you are pretending I am saying things I didn't even say.

Are you off your meds dude?

Why did they report the plane on the north of the citgo?

Only one of the claims can be correct.

Read the OP in the Lagasse/Brooks thread for a list of reasons why it's more likely that the north side claim is correct.

Did you miss it?

And if you want to continue to boast that your equivocation is worth anything- you should at least try and answer the question.
 
1. Pre-planted explosives etc.

Not really an answer. You might as well have said "Magic". So no one in the Pentagon was aware of their offices being planted with explosives. If they were, they decided to stay in their offices anyway and be killed. Yes Lyte, killed in a horrific way by explosions and fire. Unless you also want me to believe that no one died there at all. Or were all the people in those offices expendable pawns in the evil perps' game?

2. All physical evidence has been permanently sequestered but yes in photos you can see columns blown up and out where the right wing was supposed to have entered. Victims that were in the building have said they smelled cordite, thought there were bombs, and didn't see anything that remotely resembled aircraft debris.

There was a fair bit of aircraft debris. Hal Bidlack, a man who posts on this forum was there that day. He saw parts of an airplane. He helped carry the dead and wounded. He doesn't share your beliefs. Lyte, is he a liar?

3. That's for you to ask the perpetrators.

It's your theory Lyte. I know where they are. They were destroyed by an impact with the Pentagon.

I was asking how your theory accounts for their deaths. I see you don't feel your theory needs to acount for all the facts, just poke imaginary holes in reality and pretend like you are doing some kind of investigation.
 
So, you're ignoring the columns- in addition to the requirement that you actually support your statements?

Why would you expect the floor to be damaged any more than it was?

Because the official story says the plane was tilted and entered entirely under the first two floors:

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That image is from the ASCE report.

It's their story.....not ours.
 
Lyte,

I think the most likely scenario is that your two witnesses are wrong about the flight path and that the rest of the witnesses are right.

As for a plane hitting the Pentagon....ALL are agreed on that point.

So why are you opposing what ALL WITNESSES claim?
 
Because the official story says the plane was tilted and entered entirely under the first two floors:

[qimg]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/138b.jpg[/qimg]

That image is from the ASCE report.

It's their story.....not ours.

This really doesn't answer the question. Do you expect the engines and plane to somehow dig in at over 500mph after hitting the edge of the Pentagon?

I'm wording it that way so you can start to see that your expectation is entirely unreasonable... let's see if it starts to click...
 
Getting more to the point- you have claimed that you have evidence that a plane did not hit the Pentagon.

So far you have only supplied what you see as reasons to doubt that a plane hit the Pentagon- which are all easily debunked.

So far it's all been a large dose of argumentum ad ignorantium- so I'm waiting patiently for you to actually get some evidence.

You claim it was a missile. Where is the evidence of a missile?
 
Dear oh dear, Lyte you're no better at construction than you are at eyewitness testimony.

Just a word to the wise, don't mention the lack of damage to a buildings foundations again, certainly not in this context, because it really does not make you look very......bright.

For the record, the foundation of a structure provides a stable base upon which the superstructure is built.

Dmage to a foundation would normally only occur through ground movement such as earthquakes or subsidence.

A plane hitting a building is very unlikely to cause any damage to what is (probably) a mass of concrete buried in the ground.

To suggest a 6 ton titanium engine that slams into a concrete slab is going to leave it perfectly intact is absurd. That's why you went right to the wings and tail. They have the engine digging in the ground.
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However, the tail is a relatively flimsy construction, and smashing the tail section into a building at high speed is likely to leave very little recogniseable tail pieces, and the tip of the tail is unlikely to cause a great deal of damage to the wall it hits.

To summarize:

Wings = strong and cause lots of damage as they disintegrate

Tail = weak and cause little damage as it disintegrates
The columns are blown UP AND OUTWARDS.

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Getting more to the point- you have claimed that you have evidence that a plane did not hit the Pentagon.

So far you have only supplied what you see as reasons to doubt that a plane hit the Pentagon- which are all easily debunked.

So far it's all been a large dose of argumentum ad ignorantium- so I'm waiting patiently for you to actually get some evidence.

You claim it was a missile. Where is the evidence of a missile?

You are out of your mind tonight.

I do NOT claim it was a missile!
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Apparently you haven't even watched The PentaCon.

Please at least go watch it before you try telling me what I believe.
 
Lyte,

why do witnesses (including your own) report a plane hitting the Pentagon?

What plane was it if not flight 77?
 
Not really an answer. You might as well have said "Magic". So no one in the Pentagon was aware of their offices being planted with explosives. If they were, they decided to stay in their offices anyway and be killed. Yes Lyte, killed in a horrific way by explosions and fire. Unless you also want me to believe that no one died there at all. Or were all the people in those offices expendable pawns in the evil perps' game?

They were victims.

The renovation had just completed and the section was not fully occupied.

There was a fair bit of aircraft debris. Hal Bidlack, a man who posts on this forum was there that day. He saw parts of an airplane. He helped carry the dead and wounded. He doesn't share your beliefs. Lyte, is he a liar?
He does not contradict anything I have claimed. I posted images of every substantial piece of debris that was reported.

It's your theory Lyte. I know where they are. They were destroyed by an impact with the Pentagon.

I was asking how your theory accounts for their deaths. I see you don't feel your theory needs to acount for all the facts, just poke imaginary holes in reality and pretend like you are doing some kind of investigation.
We just uncover evidence.

No matter how much you want to deny it; the on site testimony we have obtained is evidence. Rather strong evidence at that.
 
Lyte,

why do witnesses (including your own) report a plane hitting the Pentagon?

What plane was it if not flight 77?

You see CHF.....that's the whole point.

I know it's kind of hard for a raccoon to understand but the plane they saw could not possibly have created the physical damage so that means it couldn't have hit the building.

The witnesses were simply fooled into believing it did because of the timing.

It was a sleight of hand illusion.

Don't you JREF'ers get into those types of things?

You know......magic tricks.
 

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