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dudalb said:
Well, he balances the holier then thou obnoxious moral superiority I get from a lot of vegetarians, vegans in particular.
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A common complaint. The thing is, when we dig a little deeper, this sort of observation sometimes says more about the observer than the observees. That said, there is no doubt that irrational cherries exist, ripe for picking.
 
varwoche said:
A common complaint. The thing is, when we dig a little deeper, this sort of observation sometimes says more about the observer than the observees. That said, there is no doubt that irrational cherries exist, ripe for picking.
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Squeaky wheel syndrome, I think. The ones you're most likely to hear are the ones that are more...passionate...about their choice, which subset would tend to include the more fanatical/preachy ones. This gives a false impression of prevalence.

Same effect that happens in self-selected polls, product reviews, political discussions, and similar :)
 
varwoche said:
A common complaint. The thing is, when we dig a little deeper, this sort of observation sometimes says more about the observer than the observees. That said, there is no doubt that irrational cherries exist, ripe for picking.
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Oddly, I never encountered a pushy vegetarian apart from the occasional online fanatic when I ate meat. Once I went vegetarian, though, a lot of people threw a fit, and acted a plain fool about how I wouldn't eat bacon (which I never liked anyway) or Chik-Fil-A (I mean, at least try to tempt me with something that tastes good like Popeye's or Church's if you're going for a fast food chain).
 
varwoche said:
A common complaint. The thing is, when we dig a little deeper, this sort of observation sometimes says more about the observer than the observees. That said, there is no doubt that irrational cherries exist, ripe for picking.
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I've known quite a number of vegans (hard not to when you're involved with certain subcultures); and very few of those were not preachy about it. Not necessarily a representative sample, admittedly, but veganism is something of an extremist position to take to start with, so tends to attract extremist personalities.

The other thing I've noticed is that a lot of them don't really understand the diet, and end up with various deficiencies or other chronic health issues as a result. Vitamin B12 deficiency is the most popular, and I personally know at least one person who was hospitalized for it. Humans are obligate omnivores, after all.

And I'm speaking as someone who was an ovo-lacto vegetarian for over two decades.
 
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luchog said:
Looks like that sentence was pretty self-explanatory to me.
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This is not even an artful dodge.


You clearly haven't done your research.
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This is a vague, all-purpose dodge (posted "response" to four sentences). If we're being good skeptics, now is an appropriate time to reiterate Cain's "Clearly Rule": "Double-check anyone who claims something is "clear" or "obvious"; there's a good chance they're attempting to bolster a claim without doing any real work."

I did. Your refusal to read the documentation provided speaks volumes.
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Where? A potential dodge and fabrication.

I hear hole-digging is good exercise, but I've no interest in it.
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Thanks for writing a forgivably short "reply." I do appreciate it.
 
Cain where did this statistic come from "The most surprising fact is that PeTA's a well-funded, nationally known organization but takes in only ~3,000 animals.... because that's not really their mission."?
 
 
Darat said:
Cain where did this statistic come from "The most surprising fact is that PeTA's a well-funded, nationally known organization but takes in only ~3,000 animals.... because that's not really their mission."?
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It's mentioned in the OPer's Washington Post article. "In 2014, according to its own records, it took in 3,017 animals, about 1 percent of the total number brought to private Virginia shelters."

Also: "And PETA doesn’t care if the animal in need is a dog or a cat or a chicken or a rat, Nachminovitch continued. It doesn’t matter if the owner can’t or won’t pay for the services. More than 500 of the animals it euthanized last year were brought in by owners who wanted to end their elderly or suffering pet’s pain, she said, but couldn’t afford the vet’s fee."
 
Mycroft said:
Because of our collective Pavlovian training that any political opinion expressed in any context must be matched to it's ideological origins so that we know to be either ecstatically supportive or horrifically appalled.

No exceptions. Ever.
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This thread is chock full of fun things. :thumbsup:
 
Hi Aadil, welcome to the forum.

PETA are certainly a messed up organisation.

Unfortunately a lot of well-meaning people defend them.
 
Cain said:
It's mentioned in the OPer's Washington Post article. "In 2014, according to its own records, it took in 3,017 animals, about 1 percent of the total number brought to private Virginia shelters."



Also: "And PETA doesn’t care if the animal in need is a dog or a cat or a chicken or a rat, Nachminovitch continued. It doesn’t matter if the owner can’t or won’t pay for the services. More than 500 of the animals it euthanized last year were brought in by owners who wanted to end their elderly or suffering pet’s pain, she said, but couldn’t afford the vet’s fee."
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That's just one area.
 
ShortHaxYT said:
Can someone delete my previous post before this one and insert the links below into my first/original post with dots?
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Hi there. Just letting you know, only moderators and admins could do that, and that's not something we do.

Posts are only edited to remove offensive stuff (rarely) and occasionally a thread title will be edited to correct a typo (at the author's request) other than that, the only edits that I do are to fix broken quote tags.
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Also, welcome aboard. You're off to a good start.
 
Darat said:
That's just one area.
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I'm not sure what you're saying here. If you're implying that this just one out of many "euthanization clinics" PeTA operates, then you're mistaken. As far as I know, they only have the one.
 
Cain said:
I'm not sure what you're saying here. If you're implying that this just one out of many "euthanization clinics" PeTA operates, then you're mistaken. As far as I know, they only have the one.
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That figure that was referenced was only one small area in the USA, so it is reasonable to assume it's a lot more than the 3000 you mentioned.
 
Darat said:
That figure that was referenced was only one small area in the USA, so it is reasonable to assume it's a lot more than the 3000 you mentioned.
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Cain is saying that PETA's only shelter is in that area, so while they do other things on a national scale, they only operate there as a shelter, so it's not reasonable to assume that it's a lot more than the 3000 figure because they only have that single local operation.

I don't know if what he said is accurate, but if it is then there wouldn't be any more than the 3000 because there's only the single location.
 
Roboramma said:
Cain is saying that PETA's only shelter is in that area, so while they do other things on a national scale, they only operate there as a shelter, so it's not reasonable to assume that it's a lot more than the 3000 figure because they only have that single local operation.



I don't know if what he said is accurate, but if it is then there wouldn't be any more than the 3000 because there's only the single location.
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Just went back in case I had misunderstood Cain's post and I don't think I have, he said:

"The most surprising fact is that PeTA's a well-funded, nationally known organization but takes in only ~3,000 animals.... because that's not really their mission. "

The reason I asked about that is that it was as Cain says surprising that a national organisation with shelters across the nation only took in 3000 animals.
 
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