Ed Perry's property named ******head

[daredelvis]

Really? Bigotry a common theme amongst conservative ideology? I don't see any bigotry on the GOP platform. They're true conservatives, right? How come they aren't affiliated with the KKK? Why are their people of all races in the GOP?

That statement is dumber than mhaze's claim that Perry left the party of racism.

Bigotry isn't confined to just racism.



Same-sex couples who wish to marry might disagree.

And, which party is the party of Juan Crow?

Daredelvis

 

[Skepticemea]

And, which party is the party of Juan Crow?

Daredelvis

Diego, Shirley?

 

[johnny karate]

Except to support your argument, you have to step outside the political parties of Republican and Democrat. You have to somehow claim that "conservatives" once existed in the Democrat party, and were therein responsible for the persecutions and brutal physical assaults on Republicans by the terrorist arm of the Democrat party, the KKK.

Educate yourself:

Southern Democrats

After the Civil Rights Movement successfully challenged the Jim Crow laws and other forms of institutionalized racism, and after the Democrats as a whole came to symbolize the mainstream left of the United States the form, if not the content, of Southern Democratic politics began to change. At that point, most Southern Democrats defected to the Republican Party, and helped accelerate the latter's transformation into a more conservative organization.

Southern Strategy

Though the "Solid South" had been a longtime Democratic Party stronghold due to the Democratic Party's defense of slavery prior to the American Civil War and segregation for a century thereafter, many white Southern Democrats stopped supporting the party following the civil rights plank of the Democratic campaign in 1948, the African-American Civil Rights Movement, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 196, and desegregation.

Worse than that, you have to ignore the bigoted, prejudiced subset of the Democratic party today - the radical (and militant) environmental nazis, the hard core socialists, the Black Panthers, the Reverend Wright, and countless other weird puppies.

Even more nonsensical than attributing left wing fringe groups to the Democratic Party is the assertion that socialists and environmentalists are somehow inherently bigoted.

Down that road, you can't argue, so back to your claim. Somewhere in the "conservatives" lurk bigots. Somewhere. Somewhere in the "conservatives" are really bad bigots. Somewhere.

The claim is backed by the beliefs and policies of conservatives.

Why thank you that makes everything so nice and clear.

It explains so well Mao, Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, Casto, Pol Pot....

No...wait...

How are totalitarian dictators at all left wing? And what does any of that have to do with bigotry or American politics?

 

[mhaze]

Originally Posted by mhaze
Why thank you that makes everything so nice and clear.

It explains so well Mao, Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, Casto, Pol Pot....

No...wait...

.....How are totalitarian dictators at all left wing? And what does any of that have to do with bigotry or American politics?

Why are totalitarian dictators left wing? Because freedom and liberty are expressions of Conservative value systems.

Go on down the list, be my guest.

 

[johnny karate]

Because freedom and liberty are expressions of Conservative value systems.

If you're a white Christian, you mean. For anyone else, your mileage may vary.

 

[mhaze]

If you're a white Christian, you mean. For anyone else, your mileage may vary.

No, I don't mean white Christians. I mean exactly what I said.

Now why don't you proceed to answer your own question.

WHY are totalitarian despots who have murdered hundreds of millions almost always leftist?

 

[johnny karate]

No, I don't mean white Christians. I mean exactly what I said.

History disagrees with you. The only people for whom conservatives have consistently advocated "freedom and liberty" are themselves and people who look and behave like them.

Now why don't you proceed to answer your own question.

WHY are totalitarian despots who have murdered hundreds of millions almost always leftist?

I didn't ask that question. You're arguing with yourself again. Nor does this bizarre tangent you've chosen have anything to do with what anyone (but you) was talking about.

 

[Newtons Bit]

If you're a white Christian, you mean. For anyone else, your mileage may vary.

You're going down this road AGAIN? Racism again, when you just claimed it wasn't racism.

 

[mhaze]

You're going down this road AGAIN? Racism again, when you just claimed it wasn't racism.

Argument of the moment, you know...

 

[johnny karate]

You're going down this road AGAIN? Racism again, when you just claimed it wasn't racism.

If you'll look at what I said, you'll see it's a little more nuanced than simply "Conservatives are racist!". I'm not claiming that now, nor did I claim that previously.

In response to mhaze's claim that conservatism is a bastion of freedom and liberty, I was making the point that it's actually - historically speaking - quite exclusionary.

Once again, I direct your attention to prominent conservative thought regarding who should be allowed to marry as evidence of that claim.

 

[johnny karate]

Argument of the moment, you know...

Or, argument not being made at all.

But feel free to scroll up and address any of the actual arguments I've made regarding the history of conservatism in the Democratic and Republican parties that you've conveniently ignored.

 

[Newtons Bit]

If you'll look at what I said, you'll see it's a little more nuanced than simply "Conservatives are racist!". I'm not claiming that now, nor did I claim that previously.

In response to mhaze's claim that conservatism is a bastion of freedom and liberty, I was making the point that it's actually - historically speaking - quite exclusionary.

Once again, I direct your attention to prominent conservative thought regarding who should be allowed to marry as evidence of that claim.

So the "white" part of your statement was for what? Color?

 

[johnny karate]

So the "white" part of your statement was for what? Color?

I also said "Christian". Are you not equally bothered that I seemed to imply conservatives hate all other religions?

Look, I'm not going to argue the racism angle because it's simply a nonstarter. That conservatism has a history of racism is undeniable. But race is simply not a significant factor in modern conservative politics.

At best, racism has been all but eradicated from the conservative ethos. At worst, it's simply been reduced to a nebulous, below-the-surface vestige of a bygone era. Either way, it's impossible to discuss in concrete terms, and therefore pointless to argue.

But bigotry is alive and well in modern conservatism, and that's why I think it's much more fruitful to frame the discussion with that term.

It's also why I think a lot of conservatives want to make it it strictly about racism. Racism in modern conservative politics is difficult to prove. Bigotry is not.

If we make the discussion just about racism, it allows conservatives to feign offense and proclaim themselves the victims of persecution. If we make the discussion about bigotry, the best response conservatives can muster is "Well, we're not all bigots. Just most of us".

 

[Newtons Bit]

I also said "Christian". Are you not equally bothered that I seemed to imply conservatives hate all other religions?

Look, I'm not going to argue the racism angle because it's simply a nonstarter. That conservatism has a history of racism is undeniable. But race is simply not a significant factor in modern conservative politics.

At best, racism has been all but eradicated from the conservative ethos. At worst, it's simply been reduced to a nebulous, below-the-surface vestige of a bygone era. Either way, it's impossible to discuss in concrete terms, and therefore pointless to argue.

But bigotry is alive and well in modern conservatism, and that's why I think it's much more fruitful to frame the discussion with that term.

It's also why I think a lot of conservatives want to make it it strictly about racism. Racism in modern conservative politics is difficult to prove. Bigotry is not.

If we make the discussion just about racism, it allows conservatives to feign offense and proclaim themselves the victims of persecution. If we make the discussion about bigotry, the best response conservatives can muster is "Well, we're not all bigots. Just most of us".

So... what was the "white" part for, again?

 

[johnny karate]

So... what was the "white" part for, again?

I've already offered an explanation:

In response to mhaze's claim that conservatism is a bastion of freedom and liberty, I was making the point that it's actually - historically speaking - quite exclusionary.

If you don't find that explanation satisfactory, that's a disappointment we're both going to have to learn to live with.

 

[Newtons Bit]

I've already offered an explanation. If you didn't find my explanation satisfactory, that's a disappointment we're both going to have to live with.

No, you focused on everything except the "white" part. That's not an explanation, it's a dodge and a refusal to take responsibility for ridiculous hyperbole.

 

[varwoche]

It's pretty clear this is nothing more than vacuous posturing:

You know what? Next time you start propagating the narrative on a mean, vindictive smear, maybe you should carefully think out whether the counters are there to reverse the argument.

But still, I gave you the opportunity to explain:

Full stop. What makes this a smear? Can you try to answer without the baseline assumption that Perry's word is to be taken at face value, critical thinking be damned?

And seeing as you didn't bother, I can now say with a high level of confidence: Your post consists of nothing more than vacuous posturing.

Too bad. It might have been interesting to discuss which aspects of the story do/don't qualify it as a smear.

 

[mhaze]

I also said "Christian". Are you not equally bothered that I seemed to imply conservatives hate all other religions? ......it allows conservatives to feign offense and proclaim themselves the victims of persecution. If we make the discussion about bigotry, the best response conservatives can muster is "Well, we're not all bigots. Just most of us".

I'm trying to figure out what level of classroom this argument might have been made in.

Not college....
Not high school.....

Seventh grade?

 

[johnny karate]

I'm trying to figure out what level of classroom this argument might have been made in.

Not college....
Not high school.....

Seventh grade?

Puerile responses devoid of content or any attempt at a rebuttal are something I've grown used to from you.

But when you're quoting my posts, please don't mangle them into incomprehensibility. It gives the appearance of deceitfulness and/or the inability to properly use the forum's rather simple quote function.

 

[Newtons Bit]

Puerile responses devoid of content or any attempt at a rebuttal are something I've grown used to from you.

But when you're quoting my posts, please don't mangle them into incomprehensibility. It gives the appearance of deceitfulness and/or the inability to properly use the forum's rather simple quote function.

You think one compression in a quote makes it incomprehensible? That explains a lot...