Perry lets the terrorists win

[Newtons Bit]

Fifty years ago, the Republicans were all over Kennedy because he was Catholic. They were challenging him to make sure his religion does not interfere with his ability to be a US President. Now, it seems, that in order to be a good Republican, or indeed a good American in some people's eyes, one HAS to be Christian and there should be no wall between church and state. What happened to the Republicans?

The issue with Kennedy wasn't that he was Christian, but that he wasn't Protestant.

 

[mhaze]

The issue with Kennedy wasn't that he was Christian, but that he wasn't Protestant.

No. The issue was that he might follow the directives of the Pope rather than his own concepts or those of the population of the USA.

So there were and are parallels between the Kennedy case and the Perry case.

However, note again: The whackjob moonbattery "religion" of Obama is given a free pass.

And Obama has done the same in the White House. What a radical!

But he's got a free pass, remember?

 

[Bri]

And Perry has not been shown to be anything different. (Much as resident radicals would like to distort facts to make it seem so).

Except that his own words seem to indicate that he does believe that policy decisions should be based on theology (presumably as long as it's Christian theology).

However, note again: The whackjob moonbattery "religion" of Obama is given a free pass.

Same straw man you made before. Has Obama ever stated that he would base policy decisions on a directive from God?

-Bri

 

[mhaze]

Except that his own words seem to indicate that he does believe that policy decisions should be based on theology (presumably as long as it's Christian theology).

-Bri

Given that Perry is not the moment when the earth began to heal and the rise of the oceans began to stop, I can see where your religion would be opposed to Perry.

In the Name of The OBAMA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLDy_BYum1o&feature=related

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Mhaze. . .this?

Same straw man you made before. Has Obama ever stated that he would base policy decisions on a directive from God?

Or do you think this isn't an important distinction--the question of whether or not a candidate would base policy decisions on a directive from God?

 

[Bri]

Given that Perry is not the moment when the earth began to heal and the rise of the oceans began to stop, I can see where your religion would be opposed to Perry.

In the Name of The OBAMA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLDy_BYum1o&feature=related

I have no idea what this has to do with anything we've been discussing.

You do understand that when Obama said that this would be the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal he was talking about mitigating global warming, right?

-Bri

 

[JFrankA]

Deleted this post. I was making a straw man. So I deleted it. My apologies.

 

[Newtons Bit]

That means you like Obama.

That makes absolutely no sense.

 

[mhaze]

Mhaze. . .this?



Or do you think this isn't an important distinction--the question of whether or not a candidate would base policy decisions on a directive from God?

I'm sure that there will be many opportunities for people with concerns such as this to ask them to Perry. He's got a record of pretty blunt answers to questions, shouldn't be any problem with getting the facts.

It was a valid concern when Kennedy was running....

No...actually it wasn't....

No reason to need to try and read between some words and make things up.

But go ahead and make things up, don't let me stop you.

 

[mhaze]

Except that his own words seem to indicate that he does believe that policy decisions should be based on theology (presumably as long as it's Christian theology).....

I've done you the favor of bolding the part where your faith based belief system failed you in critical thinking.

Or are you trying to generate a smear, not a fact?

Got it.

 

[johnny karate]

But go ahead and make things up, don't let me stop you.

No need to make up anything.

Perry said point blank that he would allow theology to influence his foreign policy decisions.

 

[mortimer]

Perry held a prayer event at the Governer's mansion.

state owned property.
a prayer meeting should have been held at a large church.

If y'all are referring to the prayer event held last month, it was not held at the Governor's mansion. It's been closed for a number of years, first for renovation, then to repair fire damage after someone lobbed a Molotov cocktail into it.

 

[SezMe]

I'm not. Where did the "directive" come from?

mhaze, you have a seriously bad habit of just ignoring comments that challenge your claims. How 'bout breaking that habit and respond to this.

 

[BobTheDonkey]

I've done you the favor of bolding the part where your faith based belief system failed you in critical thinking.

Or are you trying to generate a smear, not a fact?

Got it.

Perhaps Bri should not have included the word "seem". It appears to have confused you and the issue.

Regardless of the use of "seem", we know exactly how Perry views the wall between Church and State and that he is willing to tear down that wall with zero compunction (acknowledge his official order for all good Christians to pray for rain). That is what his answer reveals - that he is basing his policies on his religious ideologies.

Would you be as willing to defend Perry if he were Muslim and attempting to base his policies on those religious beliefs?

 

[cwalner]

Would you be as willing to defend Perry if he were Muslim and attempting to base his policies on those religious beliefs?

How would conservatives react to a Muslim candidate being against gay marriage because it violates Sharia law? Or if he supported the death penalty due to his religious beliefs.

 

[Ladewig]

No. The issue was that he might follow the directives of the Pope rather than his own concepts or those of the population of the USA.

So there were and are parallels between the Kennedy case and the Perry case.

However, note again: The whackjob moonbattery "religion" of Obama is given a free pass.

But he's got a free pass, remember?

Did you read the article in the OP?

That author praised G.W. Bush. You can try to make this a left/right thing but it is not. Both G.W. Bush and B. Obama have been careful about the statements they make to the press about this issue.

 

[JFrankA]

Did you read the article in the OP?

That author praised G.W. Bush. You can try to make this a left/right thing but it is not. Both G.W. Bush and B. Obama have been careful about the statements they make to the press about this issue.

Exactly this.

Once again, MHaze, this has nothing to do with a particular religion, nothing to do with a particular political side, nothing to do with Palestine and Israel. It has to do with a candidate keeping true to the Constitution stance of separation between church and state.

 

[Bri]

I've done you the favor of bolding the part where your faith based belief system failed you in critical thinking.

Or are you trying to generate a smear, not a fact?

Got it.

You're serious?

Looking at the quote you posted a reasonable person would think that Perry meant that as a Christian he has a clear directive from God to support Israel.

Please tell us what you think he meant.

-Bri

 

[mhaze]

You're serious?....-Bri

Sure am.

Well, it's your problem for not reading the question and the response, not mine.

Ask "In a theological context..." and you get an answer in that context.

Ask "What are you going to do in the ring, champ" and the Champ says "I gonna kill the mfkkkkkkr, I gonna stomp his brains, you gonna carry his pieces out..."

....BUT then the Champ gets out of the ring and is a perfect gentlemen.

Context - the boxing ring.

This isn't rocket science, people. You don't read the question and the answer and then try to figure out how you can spin or slant it. You simply read the statements and report them.

 

[Bri]

Sure am.

Well, it's your problem for not reading the question and the response, not mine.

Ask "In a theological context..." and you get an answer in that context.

Ask "What are you going to do in the ring, champ" and the Champ says "I gonna kill the mfkkkkkkr, I gonna stomp his brains, you gonna carry his pieces out..."

....BUT then the Champ gets out of the ring and is a perfect gentlemen.

Context - the boxing ring.

This isn't rocket science, people. You don't read the question and the answer and then try to figure out how you can spin or slant it. You simply read the statements and report them.

What in the world are you talking about? The question didn't say anything about "in a theological context" at all. The question (which you posted yourself) was "To what extent do you view America's continued protection of Israel as a theological priority?"

Perry didn't say "America's continued protection of Israel is not a theological priority" did he? No, he said "I also as a Christian have a clear directive to support Israel."

So you're actually going to stick with your claim that Perry did not say that as a Christian he has a clear directive from God to support Israel despite the fact that you yourself posted the quote where he does say that? You're not actually claiming that he meant that as a Christian he has a clear directive from someone else are you? If so, who?

-Bri