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Perry lets the terrorists win

mhaze said:
From one of the commentors:

"So supporting the only democracy in the Middle East, which insures rights for women and gays, makes one a "Christianist"?

Amazing!
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Sounds like a straw man to me, since I don't think anyone said that supporting Israel makes one a "Christianist." Stating that you support Israel because you're a Christian and believe that you have a directive from God to do so might though (depending on your definition of "Christianist").

-Bri
 
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mhaze said:
But the question he was asked was ABOUT the "theological", eg, he was asked a "religious question". Should he have followed his response with a legal disclaimer sort of like the one on TV cigarette adds?

In the absence of that ridiculousness, how would you think he should have answered the question?
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"To what extent do you view America's continued protection of Israel as a theological priority?"
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"It's not a theological priority. As an American, it's obvious that Israel is our oldest and most stable democratic ally in that region. That is what this is about. I am going to stand with Israel."

How hard was that?
 
Once again, the point isn't how one feels about Israel. It isn't about what religion a candidate is. The point is NOT to mix the United States Government with religion. Any religion.

Further, to use a religion (any religion) as a basis for US Policy (be it foreign or domestic) is just wrong.
 
The relationship of fundy Christians to Israel is interesting. They see Israel as the location of Armageddon, and the starting point for the End Days. Lots of big events start there.
What they don't often mention to Jews is that they think when The End comes around, all the "good" Jews will convert to Christianity and leave their mistaken brethren behind to face the Tribulations....
 
JFrankA said:
"It's not a theological priority. As an American, it's obvious that Israel is our oldest and most stable democratic ally in that region. That is what this is about. I am going to stand with Israel."

How hard was that?
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Not very good.

Because to Perry, it was a theological issue, and he was asked about a theological question specifically.

So you've given a more politically correct answer, and one that would be obviously correct for an atheist. But how show Perry have answered it?

(no doubt as he continues on the campaign trail, he'll get better at this)
 
mhaze said:
Because to Perry, it was a theological issue, and he was asked about a theological question specifically.
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That's precisely the problem. It shouldn't be a theological issue to Perry or to anyone else who wants to be President of the United States.

So you've given a more politically correct answer, and one that would be obviously correct for an atheist. But how show Perry have answered it?
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He answered it honestly. Which again is the problem. He shouldn't be President of the United States if he feels that Christian theology should determine his policy.

If his goal was to appeal to moderate Americans despite his belief that he should base policy decisions on Christian theology, then he probably should have lied about it and said something along the lines of JFrankA wrote. Of course, lying is also against Christian theology.

(no doubt as he continues on the campaign trail, he'll get better at this)
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I don't think he hurt himself at all in the primaries by telling the truth in this case. There's always time to backpedal later in the general election.

-Bri
 
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Bri said:
That's precisely the problem. It shouldn't be a theological issue to Perry or to anyone else who wants to be President of the United States.....
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Well, that's saying "no religious people should be POTUS".

Good luck with that one!

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mhaze said:
Well, that's saying "no religious people should be POTUS".

Good luck with that one!

:)
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Wooosh! From one point of view to the extreme.

Do you like beer? You do? ALCOHOLIC!!!!
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Skepticemea said:
Wooosh! From one point of view to the extreme.

Do you like beer? You do? ALCOHOLIC!!!! [qimg]http://80.87.129.159/~tmsb/forum/Smileys/classic/haha.gif[/qimg]
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Yep. Not even considering the fact that a guy goes to a total wackjob religion church religiously, and is interviewed about religion and says that he "channels God when he's publicly speaking" and these guys give him a pass, then pile it on Perry.

Oh....that guy was Skinny Big Ears, by the way.
 
mhaze said:
Well, that's saying "no religious people should be POTUS".

Good luck with that one!

:)
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No that seems to be a straw man. There are plenty of religious people who don't believe that policy decisions should be based on theology.

-Bri
 
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Bri said:
No that seems to be a straw man. There are plenty of religious people who don't believe that policy decisions should be based on theology.

-Bri
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And Perry has not been shown to be anything different. (Much as resident radicals would like to distort facts to make it seem so).
 
mhaze said:
Not very good.

Because to Perry, it was a theological issue, and he was asked about a theological question specifically.

So you've given a more politically correct answer, and one that would be obviously correct for an atheist. But how show Perry have answered it?
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Perry already has shown how he answered it and that's the problem. I showed how he SHOULD have answered it. Which, I believe, is what you were asking for.

(no doubt as he continues on the campaign trail, he'll get better at this)
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The only way he would get better is to make sure he separates his religion from US Government policy.

mhaze said:
Well, that's saying "no religious people should be POTUS".

Good luck with that one!

:)
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Complete and utter straw man. No one here has said that, and, in fact, I made it quite clear that that is not the issue.

Once again:

The issue is the separation of church and state. Perry quite obviously refuses to draw a line. Even when he is backed into an obvious question revealing if he is willing to do it, (the question you are bringing up) he bites down hard and shows he is not willing to keep that wall of separation up.

I don't care what religion a candidate is. What I care about is the ability to separate their religion from US Government when creating policies and laws.

(Warning: Rant below)
RANT!
Fifty years ago, the Republicans were all over Kennedy because he was Catholic. They were challenging him to make sure his religion does not interfere with his ability to be a US President. Now, it seems, that in order to be a good Republican, or indeed a good American in some people's eyes, one HAS to be Christian and there should be no wall between church and state.

What happened to the Republicans?
 
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