Ed Pentagon - TruthMakesPeace

[JihadJane]

What? Do you have any serious arguments to present? Where did you learn to fly,and how many hours have you flown?

Beachnut claimed that:

Anyone who can ride a bike could fly better than the terrorists did on 911.

This claim is rubbish.

 

[TheRedWorm]

So he exaggerated for effect........and?

 

[beachnut]

Beachnut claimed that:


This claim is rubbish.

I was able to ride bikes great, and I flew great the first time; okay better than the terrorists.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/11BankAnglecompare.jpg

Look how poorly the terrorist pilot flew. That is bank angle, I have never seen someone that bad flying. Because...
I have taken kids who have never flown, and they were able to fly better than the terrorists in a simulator, and in a real aircraft. (I looked at the FDR where it shows how the terrorists flew, have you? HOURS)

You might not be able to fly jets better than terrorists if you can ride bikes. You might not have the coordination, or the will to do it. I am average, and could fly better than terrorists on my first flight in each new aircraft I flew. Can you fly?

I think if you can ride a bike you have the potential to fly better than the terrorists. I did better, why can't other people be better than I.

Better study the terrorist flying before making a false statement. I have studied the terrorist flying to the 1/8 of a second, what have you done? Have you studied the data for hours to see how poorly they flew? Well have you?

 

[George 152]

I guess staying 20 or so feet off the ground at over 300 mph is also a snap.

Yup.

 

[dafydd]

Beachnut claimed that:



This claim is rubbish.

I took over the controls of a light aircraft once,under guidance,and I didn't do too badly. I could never have landed it. It was a bit like learning to ride a bike. Have you ever flown a plane?

 

[tsig]

The length of a runway is completely immaterial. How wide it is, IS!

All he had to do was hit any point on a surface that was several hundred feet wide and 77 feet tall.

Nor was what this aircraft did in any way shape of form the same or even as difficult as, actually landing an aircraft. No flaps adjust, no finesse of the throttles, no wheels down, no flare, no adjustments while the aircraft is slow and sluggish on the controls.

Once straightened out just fly the plane, throttles to the max, at a target that is several times WIDER than the aircraft and twice as high as the tallest part of the aircraft.

I said before that Hani was probably aiming for dead center and missed , low, by 30+ feet. Missing a landing by 30 feet low will put you in the dirt before the button of the runway. Missing crashing your aircraft into the center of a target that is as tall as your aircraft by 30 + feet low STILL has you hitting that target AND you don't give a crap where you hit it anyway as long as you hit it.

Hani could have smacked the ground 50 feet in front of the building and still have smashed the front wall in. He could have crashed 500 feet short and still al-Qada gets a victory simply by killing all the Americans on board in what would obviously be a run at the Pentagon.

Why are these concepts so very difficult for you to grasp?

The CTers would have loved that one then the question would be "Why didn't the plane hit the Pentagon"?

 

[TruthMakesPeace]

Good suggestion about cameras on board RC planes

"In"? Not the entire ground crew?

It would only take a small crew to install it. It would not take THOUSANDS of people, including the ticket agents and airport janitor to be "in on it". If a few engineers are working on a plane, so what? Nobody is going to call the FBI to investigate. To every other airport worker, they are just some guys doing their job. They didn't have "Black Ops Team" on their uniforms, but would look like normal workers.

Because someone is going to talk about the new guy fiddling with the avionics program in the plane that was part of a terrorist attack.

That is something that needs to be investigated. Who was working on those planes prior to 9/11. I'm not holding my breath for main stream media "investigative reports" to look into it.

Do you know what the NASA program entailed? Prove it.

What does NASA have to do with this? But if we put the billions in to NASA that we did the NSA to listen to phone calls, we would have Moon bases by now, as in 2001: a space odyssey. Everyone on Earth would be friends, working towards a common goal of exploring the universe, which is our destiny. We wouldn't be going to war over oil - which is just stored solar energy from millions of years ago. We would have solar panels orbiting the earth, giving us abundant free energy.

The alterations made to the aircraft? Prove it. How long did it take?

This article says "The 777 was Boeing's first true fly-by-wire design. The 757 and 767 apparently used a mechanical linkage with hydraulic power assist. Although 757 and 767 are equipped with fully automatic flight controls, the pilot can always over-ride the automatic systems" http://www.911-strike.com/remote_bb.htm
But if everyone in the 757/767s were knocked out by gas on 9/11, including the pilots, that is not an issue.

I'm betting either my "Prove it"s vanish again, or my post gets ignored.

It would be nice if you would say "prove it" about the Official Conspiracy Theory. Why don't you ask the 9/11 Commission or NIST to "prove it" that fire alone can bring down a steel skyscraper? You say "I believe without any proof" for the OCT. But you say "prove it" to anything questioning the official dogma. That is having double standards.

I do need about 1 week to get back to posts, since life is busy.

No, NASA has made an RC plane out of a Boeing.

That was in 12/1/1984. Judging by how much computer have evolved, such as the Apple Macintosh to the Apple iPad, it is reasonable to assume that Remote Control technology has also advanced.

Flying a plane would not be "basic RC", especially without installing some kind of camera for visual flying.

That is a good point. Yes, hidden cameras in the plane, to see the passengers, and crew, (to see if the gas knocked them out) and the direction of the plane would be helpful. Your suggestion should be added to the theory. I'll email to the webmaster.

 

[TSR]

... (to see if the gas knocked them out) ...

.
No need to see it, we know it didn't.

BECAUSE CYANIDE DOESN'T KNOCK YOU OUT, IT KILLS YOU DEAD.

But do keep running from this teeny tiny flaw in your fantasy...
.

 

[Craig4]

It would only take a small crew to install it. It would not take THOUSANDS of people, including the ticket agents and airport janitor to be "in on it". If a few engineers are working on a plane, so what? Nobody is going to call the FBI to investigate. To every other airport worker, they are just some guys doing their job. They didn't have "Black Ops Team" on their uniforms, but would look like normal workers.

snip.

It doesn't matter if it's possible. It only matters if it did happen. Prove gas was installed in the plane.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I was able to ride bikes great, and I flew great the first time; okay better than the terrorists.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/11BankAnglecompare.jpg

Look how poorly the terrorist pilot flew. That is bank angle, I have never seen someone that bad flying. Because...
I have taken kids who have never flown, and they were able to fly better than the terrorists in a simulator, and in a real aircraft. (I looked at the FDR where it shows how the terrorists flew, have you? HOURS)

You might not be able to fly jets better than terrorists if you can ride bikes. You might not have the coordination, or the will to do it. I am average, and could fly better than terrorists on my first flight in each new aircraft I flew. Can you fly?

I think if you can ride a bike you have the potential to fly better than the terrorists. I did better, why can't other people be better than I.

Better study the terrorist flying before making a false statement. I have studied the terrorist flying to the 1/8 of a second, what have you done? Have you studied the data for hours to see how poorly they flew? Well have you?

All that erractic flying needed to be compensated for. Multiple compensations resulting in PERFECT compensation at over 300 MPH!!!! That certainly deserves a spot with the plethora of amazing 9/11 coincidences

 

[TruthersLie]

What if they're only five years old?

It is nice that you ask that question.

I can remember going up with father and a friend of his in the friends private plane when I was 7. We were flying from Phoenix to Las Vegas. I was allowed to sit up front, and he let me "fly it." I was really scared, but it was very easy. YOu just point it where you want it to go. The hard part is again the taking off and the landing (that is of course as long as everything goes right...)

 

[TruthersLie]

It would only take a small crew to install it. It would not take THOUSANDS of people, including the ticket agents and airport janitor to be "in on it". If a few engineers are working on a plane, so what? Nobody is going to call the FBI to investigate. To every other airport worker, they are just some guys doing their job. They didn't have "Black Ops Team" on their uniforms, but would look like normal workers.

the technical analysis that I provided to you shows it would have taken HUNDREDS of individuals to modify the jets, and to cover it up. Why haven't you addressed that technical analysis?

That is something that needs to be investigated. Who was working on those planes prior to 9/11. I'm not holding my breath for main stream media "investigative reports" to look into it.

Feel free. It is really easy to find the flight schedules of those aircraft. (another thing which destroys your bs claim... they were never out of circulation for any length of time. that technical analysis I provided to you shows you are full of crap.)

This article says "The 777 was Boeing's first true fly-by-wire design. The 757 and 767 apparently used a mechanical linkage with hydraulic power assist. Although 757 and 767 are equipped with fully automatic flight controls, the pilot can always over-ride the automatic systems" http://www.911-strike.com/remote_bb.htm
But if everyone in the 757/767s were knocked out by gas on 9/11, including the pilots, that is not an issue.

Other than the fact it would take hundreds of man hours to do it to EACH plane, it would be readily obvious to the pilots and ground crew. If you read the technical analysis I provide to you, it would show you how full of crap this "theory" is.

It would be nice if you would say "prove it" about the Official Conspiracy Theory. Why don't you ask the 9/11 Commission or NIST to "prove it" that fire alone can bring down a steel skyscraper? You say "I believe without any proof" for the OCT. But you say "prove it" to anything questioning the official dogma. That is having double standards.

Not at all.

it is called the BURDEN OF PROOF. Feel free to look it up. The common narrative is accepted by over 90% of the world. That means it is up to YOU to prove how it is wrong.

That was in 12/1/1984. Judging by how much computer have evolved, such as the Apple Macintosh to the Apple iPad, it is reasonable to assume that Remote Control technology has also advanced.

appeal to science fiction. The technical analysis I provided to you shows that
1. the aircraft were NOT fly by wire, and would require a mechanical device to do any remote control.
2. it shows how difficult it would be to set up
3. how easy it would be to bypass.

Did you even bother to READ that technical analysis?

 

[TruthersLie]

All that erractic flying needed to be compensated for. Multiple compensations resulting in PERFECT compensation at over 300 MPH!!!! That certainly deserves a spot with the plethora of amazing 9/11 coincidences

<facepalm>

texas sharpshooter fallacy. again.

 

[TheRedWorm]

<facepalm>

texas sharpshooter fallacy. again.

He's like a one trickfallacy pony.

 

[Andy_Ross]

It would only take a small crew to install it. It would not take THOUSANDS of people, including the ticket agents and airport janitor to be "in on it". If a few engineers are working on a plane, so what? Nobody is going to call the FBI to investigate. To every other airport worker, they are just some guys doing their job. They didn't have "Black Ops Team" on their uniforms, but would look like normal workers.

How can you know it would only take a 'small crew' to install it?
What is needs to ne installed?
If you don't know what needs to be installed and where how can you say how many people are needed to install it?

 

[beachnut]

All that erractic flying needed to be compensated for. Multiple compensations resulting in PERFECT compensation at over 300 MPH!!!! That certainly deserves a spot with the plethora of amazing 9/11 coincidences

You don't seem to understand the flying part.
The erratic flying was not compensated for, it remained bad flying.
No multiple compensations, sorry, the flying was bad all the time, no compensation.
You are wrong, the terrorist crashed into a large target, 10 times larger than the runway he was having problems landing on.

What was your point?

What if they're only five years old?

The best pilots learned when they were young, some really young kids fly like pros, flying is easy, flying is hard; I do both parts, many can do the easy parts. What was your point? Are you a no plane kind of person?

 

[George 152]

All that erractic flying needed to be compensated for. Multiple compensations resulting in PERFECT compensation at over 300 MPH!!!! That certainly deserves a spot with the plethora of amazing 9/11 coincidences

It was crap inaccurate flying.
Those suicide pilots had CPL's (Commercial Pilot Licenses) they had over 300 hours PIC (Pilot in Command time)
Look at the data supplied in the graphs as to just how even altitude was all over the shop.
And as for airspeed, :-(
You have a strange idea as to 'PERFECT compensation'
And 300 knots isn't some fantastic speed whether at 20 feet or 20,000 feet..

 

[Clayton Moore]

It was crap inaccurate flying.
Those suicide pilots had CPL's (Commercial Pilot Licenses) they had over 300 hours PIC (Pilot in Command time)
Look at the data supplied in the graphs as to just how even altitude was all over the shop.
And as for airspeed, :-(
You have a strange idea as to 'PERFECT compensation'
And 300 knots isn't some fantastic speed whether at 20 feet or 20,000 feet..

Well DUH. A drunken driver weaves because he over compensates when steering. A beginner riding a bike weaves erratically from over compensating.


crap inaccurate flying.

That means that the pilot would have to compensate/counter for every steering/operating mistake.

 

[beachnut]

Well DUH. A drunken driver weaves because he over compensates when steering. A beginner riding a bike weaves erratically from over compensating.


crap inaccurate flying.

That means that the pilot would have to compensate/counter for every steering/operating mistake.

The plane does that for you, the 757 was very stable. What is your point? What are you trying to say? Hani was a trained pilot, he crashed into the Pentagon. What is your claim?

 

[NoahFence]

It would only take a small crew to install it. It would not take THOUSANDS of people, including the ticket agents and airport janitor to be "in on it". If a few engineers are working on a plane, so what? Nobody is going to call the FBI to investigate. To every other airport worker, they are just some guys doing their job. They didn't have "Black Ops Team" on their uniforms, but would look like normal workers.

That is something that needs to be investigated. Who was working on those planes prior to 9/11. I'm not holding my breath for main stream media "investigative reports" to look into it.


What does NASA have to do with this? But if we put the billions in to NASA that we did the NSA to listen to phone calls, we would have Moon bases by now, as in 2001: a space odyssey. Everyone on Earth would be friends, working towards a common goal of exploring the universe, which is our destiny. We wouldn't be going to war over oil - which is just stored solar energy from millions of years ago. We would have solar panels orbiting the earth, giving us abundant free energy.


This article says "The 777 was Boeing's first true fly-by-wire design. The 757 and 767 apparently used a mechanical linkage with hydraulic power assist. Although 757 and 767 are equipped with fully automatic flight controls, the pilot can always over-ride the automatic systems" http://www.911-strike.com/remote_bb.htm
But if everyone in the 757/767s were knocked out by gas on 9/11, including the pilots, that is not an issue.


It would be nice if you would say "prove it" about the Official Conspiracy Theory. Why don't you ask the 9/11 Commission or NIST to "prove it" that fire alone can bring down a steel skyscraper? You say "I believe without any proof" for the OCT. But you say "prove it" to anything questioning the official dogma. That is having double standards.

I do need about 1 week to get back to posts, since life is busy.


That was in 12/1/1984. Judging by how much computer have evolved, such as the Apple Macintosh to the Apple iPad, it is reasonable to assume that Remote Control technology has also advanced.


That is a good point. Yes, hidden cameras in the plane, to see the passengers, and crew, (to see if the gas knocked them out) and the direction of the plane would be helpful. Your suggestion should be added to the theory. I'll email to the webmaster.

I only ask this out of personal curiosity. Do you actually believe any of that? If you don't want to get outted as a troll, you can PM me....