Penn on CNN right now

crimresearch said:
You are really getting good at this Claus..of course the link that I did provide to that very quote ( along with the very specific answers already given to your repeated questions) must be invisible to your eyes alone...is that your story now? You can't see black people, and you can't read links if they are posted by minorities?
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What a shame...some of us are on here debunking medical myths in one thread, debunking Qi in another thread, providing factual links to reports on modern slavery and corrupt police organizations in other threads, ....while Claus is 'advancing the JREF mission' by posting falsehoods as 'fact' and siding with the anti-skeptic crowd, ignoring factual links by claiming they aren't there, forging non-existent quotes, and alway tapdancing, tapdancing, tapdancing...

:rolleyes:
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O.........K.

No reference to the thread where I evade questions about blacks.

No answers as to why Penn shouldn't be questioned.

No answers as to why questioning Penn would not advance the JREF mission.

But a lot of smoke, lies and false allegations.

Gotcha.
 
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crimresearch said:
What's that got to do with anything?

If Penn had used his time slot to insist that everyone should vote for Badnarik, I would agree with the 'who cares what celebrities think about politics' sentiment...but civics isn't politics.
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And who cares what celebrities think of civics?

Penn is an entertainer, a magician, a professional skeptic. If CNN wants to do a show or news segment having to do with entertainment, magic, or skepticism, he'd be a terrific person to have on.

But having him on to talk about the election or his candidate or the importance of voting, or anything at all not having to do with his particular area of expertise, is simply using a celebrity as a pimp for ratings. If CNN wants to get someone on to talk about the importance of voting, why don't they invite the president of the League of Women Voters? Is it because she'd be a ratings tank?

Didn't we all just have a good laugh at Cameron Diaz's expense when she went on Oprah's show and made an idiot of herself while talking about the importance of voting?
 
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BPSCG said:
And who cares what celebrities think of civics?

Penn is an entertainer, a magician, a professional skeptic. If CNN wants to do a show or news segment having to do with entertainment, magic, or skepticism, he'd be a terrific person to have on.

But having him on to talk about the election or his candidate or the importance of voting, or anything at all not having to do with his particular area of expertise, is simply using a celebrity as a pimp for ratings. If CNN wants to get someone on to talk about the importance of voting, why don't they invite the president of the League of Women Voters? Is it because she'd be a ratings tank?

Didn't we all just have a good laugh at Cameron Diaz's expense when she went on Oprah's show and made an idiot of herself while talking about the importance of voting?
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Agreed...was Penn on CNN doing magic tricks, or was he on there presenting the skeptical view of our electoral system?
 
CFLarsen said:
O.........K.

No reference to the thread where I evade questions about blacks.

No answers as to why Penn shouldn't be questioned.

No answers as to why questioning Penn would not advance the JREF mission.

But a lot of smoke, lies and false allegations.

Gotcha.
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OK, sure you do, your Aryanness...please do explain how my posting the link to the very thread where you ran away from your ignorant statements about blacks in Florida, and were called on it, constitutes 'no reference'?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45948&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Does that link which everyone else can clearly see, not exist for you because it was posted by a minority, or because you have used some paranormal powers to wish it away?

And while you are at it, please explain how my very specific answers to the Penn question, which again, everyone can see, don't exist...Invisibility, or your blinders?

And feel free to explain (since you have dodged this one too) how criticising Penn for presenting the skeptical view of voting on CNN, advances the JREF cause...same as the above, enlighten us as to how all of these pixels magically disappear from *your* computer screen.
:rolleyes:, etc.
 
crimresearch said:
OK, sure you do, your Aryanness...please do explain how my posting the link to the very thread where you ran away from your ignorant statements about blacks in Florida, and were called on it, constitutes 'no reference'?
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I will ignore your pathetic innuendo that I am a racist, and will instead focus on the thread in question. I have asked you to refer to it, but you have - so far - refused to identify it.

Why is that?

crimresearch said:
Does that link which everyone else can clearly see, not exist for you because it was posted by a minority, or because you have used some paranormal powers to wish it away?
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Where is that link??? Can I at least see it???

crimresearch said:
And while you are at it, please explain how my very specific answers to the Penn question, which again, everyone can see, don't exist...Invisibility, or your blinders?
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I have asked for references. You are not able to provide these. Not my problem.

crimresearch said:
And feel free to explain (since you have dodged this one too) how criticising Penn for presenting the skeptical view of voting on CNN, advances the JREF cause...same as the above, enlighten us s to how all of these pixels magically disappear from *your* comuter screen.
:rolleyes:, etc.
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If you think that criticizing a skeptic means that I am not advancing the JREF mission, then I submit that you have seriously misinterpreted what the JREF mission is all about.

How am I "forging non-existent quotes"?

Where do I post "falsehoods"?
 
Where is that link??? Can I at least see it???

Everyone *else* can clearly see that I have posted it repeatedly, and they can click on it and see that the post I quoted sits there intact.

Why can't you?

They can also look at the time stamps and see that you keep pretending it doesn't exist well *after* I have posted it.

Why can't you?

And for that matter, they can look back in the previous threads and see your forged quote , complete with the 'Crimresearch..according to you' and the quotation marks around your completely fabricated words.
Then they can move down and read the part where I asked you to link to that quote. which you failed to do.

Why can't you see that either?

They can also see your false statements about blacks in Florida, Soviet tanks in Styria, etc.

Why can't you?

And of course, nothing is preventing them from seeing the posts I've made about Penn.

Why can't you?

I'll wager that if there really is is a problem, that it lies entirely with you.
 
crimresearch said:
Where is that link??? Can I at least see it???

Everyone *else* can clearly see that I have posted it repeatedly, and they can click on it and see that the post I quoted sits there intact.

Why can't you?

They can also look at the time stamps and see that you keep pretending it doesn't exist well *after* I have posted it.

Why can't you?

And for that matter, they can look back in the previous threads and see your forged quote , complete with the 'Crimresearch..according to you' and the quotation marks around your completely fabricated words.
Then they can move down and read the part where I asked you to link to that quote. which you failed to do.

Why can't you see that either?

They can also see your false statements about blacks in Florida, Soviet tanks in Styria, etc.

Why can't you?

And of course, nothing is preventing them from seeing the posts I've made about Penn.

Why can't you?

I'll wager that if there really is is a problem, that it lies entirely with you.
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I am truly sorry, but I have not been able to locate a link in this thread, posted by you.

I am also truly sorry, but I cannot for the life of me see the forged quotes I made. Perhaps you would be so kind and re-post them for me?

I am similarly sorry, but I cannot see where I posted false statements about blacks in Florida. Perhaps you would be so kind and re-post them for me?

I am equally sorry, but where have I posted false statements about Soviet tanks in Styria?

WHY IS IT SO BLOODY DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO POST LINKS TO THE THREADS WHERE I COMMIT THESE HEINOUS CRIMES?
 
HarryKeogh said:
sorry,I'd love to see a third party (and no need to stop at three either) but there's too much at stake this election for me to sit on my couch, not vote and help one guy who I really despise win.
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That's what people said in 2000...and 1996...and 1992.....

If not now, when?
 
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for the 3rd time, you racist troll...consider yourself on ignore with the rest of your racebaiting buddies
 
shanek said:
That's what people said in 2000...and 1996...and 1992.....

If not now, when?
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sorry, I think there's more at stake now than in any election held since I started voting (1989)

well at least you have Karl Rove on your side (stay home, don't vote! he'd be all over that)

"We demand more candidates"...as we cut more taxes and get deeper into debt

"It's a matter of principle"...as Bush appoints two more judges to the Supreme Court"

"We won't play along with the system"...as the Clean Air Act continues to clean the air...of birds.

no thanks, sometimes you have to swallow your pride and put your ego aside (though personally I'd still vote democrat even if more parties were on the bill).
 
I think I spot a pattern with Libertarians here: A profound dissatisfaction with life. It is everybody else's fault, everybody else is stupid and evil, only Libertarianism can save the world.

How is this different from the conservative and liberal parties?
 
crimresearch said:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45948&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
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O......K.

Let's see: I post facts from the US census, and this means - according to you - that I posted false statements about blacks in Florida.

Still no evidence of the rest. Guess it is of the same quality as the above.

crimresearch said:
for the 3rd time, you racist troll...consider yourself on ignore with the rest of your racebaiting buddies
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O......K.
 
thaiboxerken said:
How is this different from the conservative and liberal parties?
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I haven't spotted the same profound dissatisfaction with life in conservatives and liberals. I can see some dissatisfaction with some aspects of society and a willingness to change it by political means. But I cannot see an all-out sneering at society.
 
CFLarsen said:
I haven't spotted the same profound dissatisfaction with life in conservatives and liberals. I can see some dissatisfaction with some aspects of society and a willingness to change it by political means. But I cannot see an all-out sneering at society.
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You can see it sometimes in the extreme left. (Whom I won't call liberal, because I think it besmirches liberalism.)
 
epepke said:
You can see it sometimes in the extreme left. (Whom I won't call liberal, because I think it besmirches liberalism.)
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You don't have to. Liberals are right-wing in Europe. ;)
 
CFLarsen said:
You don't have to. Liberals are right-wing in Europe. ;)
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And in Cambridge, Mass.

I guess I'm not so much in disagreement with Libertarians, though. Some of the Libertarian ideas don't seem so bad to me. On the other hand, I don't think that a society based on Libertarian ideals would last more than a couple of weeks. Some tinpot dictator would take over.

In any event, I've seen the Show that May Not be Named by Penn and Teller, and it seems to me that most episodes are heavy on libertarianism and light on facts. I've written about this before, and so have others: there's a thread in the Education forum now by kittynh that points out that an asthmatic has an altogether different notion of what second-hand smoke means from a healthy person. I used to have asthma, and I can remember one excruciating evening as a kid spent in a bar with my parents, a friend of the family, and his paramour, who played one of the horses in the Broadway run of Equus. I think the only thing that kept me from going into anaphylactic shock was that I had learned to control my breathing.

Anyway, it always strikes me as being far more about Being a Libertarian than it does about skepticism.
 
HarryKeogh said:
sorry, I think there's more at stake now than in any election held since I started voting (1989)
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Again, that's what people said in 2000...and 1996...and 1992.....

well at least you have Karl Rove on your side (stay home, don't vote! he'd be all over that)
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When did I ever say I was going to stay home and not vote?

"We demand more candidates"...as we cut more taxes and get deeper into debt
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Because neither of the two ruling party candidates will do anything to stop that. The problem is spending, and unless that is cut, it's either pay now or pay later.

"It's a matter of principle"...as Bush appoints two more judges to the Supreme Court"
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FUD...as if Kerry's apointees would care any more about the Constitution than Bush's would.

"We won't play along with the system"...as the Clean Air Act continues to clean the air...of birds.
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Again, something that will be no different regardless of whether we elect Bush or Kerry.

So, how is your vote for an establishment party candidate going to make any difference at all?

If you vote for the same old, same old, don't be surprised when that's what you get. And, regardless of who wins this election, you'll be right back here in 2008, telling us how much there is at stake and why this time we have to vote for the lesser evil. Again, I ask you, if not now, when?
 
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