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Penn on CNN right now

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epepke said:
Penn is allowed to say whatever he wants, to do whatever he wants with the wealth and opportunities that he has managed to sieze, etc. etc.

I would have thought this was a simple concept. It constantly amuses me how when I express an opinion, people such as yourself interpret it as an attempt to Restrict Someone Else's Rights, or What They Should Be Allowed.

However, I also have the right to react, and the way that I react is that I consider his opinion on politics or voting or gardening or how to treat an ingrown toenail or how good chicken liver tastes or anything outside of their area of expertise just the same as I treat the opinion of any joker who sits down next to me at a bar. Not that Penn would ever do that, since he makes such a big deal out of being a teetotaler, so maybe it's a Starbucks. So he's a Celebrity, so he gets to be on CNN. Big fat hairy deal.

Your reaction suggests that this is somehow offensive to you, or it makes you angry, or something I cannot even guess at. Are you willing and able to describe that?

Are you willing and able to provide a link to the quote where I said anything like that?

I said I agreed with you about celebrities pushing their political opinions down people's throats via their easy media access...and now you accuse me of having a problem *because* I agree with you?

Troll...
:rolleyes:
 
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crimresearch said:
Are you willing and able to provide a link to the quote where I said anything like that?

No need for a link, because it's right here in the history:

So Penn shouldn't be allowed to present a skeptical viewpoint like "If we keep voting for the lesser of two evils, it's going to keep getting more evil..." on CNN *because* he is famous?

Emphasis mine. Your words. Your presumption. You own it, dude.

My response is also in the history.

Shouldn't.
Be.
Allowed.
To.


Fess up. You wrote it. You want to modify or retract it, OK by me. I don't hold a grudge.
 
HarryKeogh said:
btw TCS...I thought that you believed Libertarian politics were screwy?! Why place so much weight on Penn's (big time Lib) political views?

They are.

Because he was spot on. Maybe he is putting his own party in the loony camp.
 
bignickel said:
Don't get me wrong: I still think that America deserves the President that it ends up with.

I would agree with this. I would also expand it to include senators and congressmen too.
 
I cheerfully confess that I asked you to clarify your position by asking the question you cited above.

If you want to pretend that I made a *statement* (instead of a question) that *I* believed that Penn shouldn't be allowed to speak on CNN you are an idiot.

If you want to pretend that I claimed*you* were making that assertion, instead of *asking* you if that were your assertion, then you are a dishonest troll.

And if you are just pissed off because another poster here dared to correct you on your mislabelling of Penn as a mere entertainer, (when he is in fact a professional skeptic), and your mislabelling of his skeptical comment about voting as a political statement, then you are just another JREF bigot.

In any case, you bring nothing useful to the discourse...buh-bye.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Penn on CNN right now

Cleon said:
I have often--snidely--remarked that if as many people who claimed to be Libertarian or have Libertarian sympathies actually voted Libertarian, the Republicans would be a third party by now.

Who knows? I might even be right. :D

I think a lot of people would, except the Libertarian Party has this annoying habit of nominating loony "constitutional experts" who have, apparently, never read the constitution! Or have a very low comprehension rate.
 
crimresearch said:
I cheerfully confess that I asked you to clarify your position by asking the question you cited above.

If you want to pretend that I made a *statement* (instead of a question) that *I* believed that Penn shouldn't be allowed to speak on CNN you are an idiot.

If you want to pretend that I claimed*you* were making that assertion, instead of *asking* you if that were your assertion, then you are a dishonest troll.

I think you're really reaching here. I think I answered you adequately, without invective or insult, even without the indirect invective and insult hidden in "if" clauses. Look for the paragraph beginning "Penn is allowed to say whatever he wants." If you think that I did not, then you are welcome to point out where I didn't and ask for clarification.

And if you are just pissed off because another poster here dared to correct you on your mislabelling of Penn as a mere entertainer, (when he is in fact a professional skeptic), and your mislabelling of his skeptical comment about voting as a political statement, then you are just another JREF bigot.

In fact, I am not pi**ed off but rather amused. However, this may shed some light on your reaction, and we may be nearing a breakthrough. Is the fact that I consider Penn an entertainer what set you off? Because that's quite accurate. I do. I do not know what "professional skeptic" means. I certainly don't know what it means well enough to be able to decide whether he is one. Is it merely that one has made money promoting skepticism, or is there more? I appreciate magicians getting involved in skepticism, as they have useful skills that they can bring to the table, but the notion of "professional skeptic" mystifies me. If the term were to have any significance, I would estimate that it had something to do with combining real scientific training with training in conjuring. I don't know how much scientific training Penn has, and in the absence of that knowledge, I'm not willing to declare that he is a professional skeptic.

Perhaps you can convince me. Perhaps you can directly address the fact that I consider Penn to be primarily an entertainer with some interests related to skepticism. I firmly believe that it is possible to get this right, and I don't even expect university accolades. However, based on my viewings of the famous and most recent cable show by Penn and Teller, the name of which I dare not mention, I am not convinced.

In any case, you bring nothing useful to the discourse...buh-bye.

Yes, you can attempt to fire me. It will have little effect, unless it does. You'll know if it does, because I'll get kickbanned by the moderators.
 
epepke said:
I think you're really reaching here. I think I answered you adequately, without invective or insult, even without the indirect invective and insult hidden in "if" clauses. Look for the paragraph beginning "Penn is allowed to say whatever he wants." If you think that I did not, then you are welcome to point out where I didn't and ask for clarification.
In fact, I am not pi**ed off but rather amused. However, this may shed some light on your reaction, and we may be nearing a breakthrough. Is the fact that I consider Penn an entertainer what set you off? Because that's quite accurate. I do. I do not know what "professional skeptic" means. I certainly don't know what it means well enough to be able to decide whether he is one. Is it merely that one has made money promoting skepticism, or is there more? I appreciate magicians getting involved in skepticism, as they have useful skills that they can bring to the table, but the notion of "professional skeptic" mystifies me. If the term were to have any significance, I would estimate that it had something to do with combining real scientific training with training in conjuring. I don't know how much scientific training Penn has, and in the absence of that knowledge, I'm not willing to declare that he is a professional skeptic.
Perhaps you can convince me. Perhaps you can directly address the fact that I consider Penn to be primarily an entertainer with some interests related to skepticism. I firmly believe that it is possible to get this right, and I don't even expect university accolades. However, based on my viewings of the famous and most recent cable show by Penn and Teller, the name of which I dare not mention, I am not convinced.
Yes, you can attempt to fire me. It will have little effect, unless it does. You'll know if it does, because I'll get kickbanned by the moderators.

No, I doubt that your posting on Randi's forum and claiming to have no idea what a professional skeptic is will trigger your banning, sorry to disappoint. It will go a long way towards illuminating which side of the skeptical fence you are on.

I do however, suspect that if you follow the usual JREF Axis of Intolerance pattern of claiming that questions asking you to *clarify* your position are 'assertions' and if you continue to tapdance, evade, and to fabricate strawman positions and things I never said, that I will probably be putting you on ignore with the other trolls and bigots...

But in the meantime, feel free to present all the evidence you have that Penn was on CNN merely because all the other 'entertainers' had better bookings.
:rolleyes:
 
corplinx said:
Penn is a libertarian but I am not sure he is a member of the Libertarian party.

So? Isn't it most likely that if he votes, it will be for the Libertarian candidate?

corplinx said:
There are more libertarians than there are Libertarian party members.

This goes for every political party.
 
"We have to either start voting for loony third party candidates or not voting at all. If we keep voting for the lesser of two evils, it's going to keep getting more evil."....Penn


"America is a one-party state which, with typical extravagance, has two of them." Julius Nyere (I think)

They make a nice set of bookends.
 
Well, I understand why you are here...No doubt 'helping the JREF mission' by defending those who attack a well known skeptic like Penn, but you shouldn't need me to remind you of how many threads you've run away from when painted into a corner by logical questions...the one about black people that you are currently evading just being the latest that I am aware of.

You know...This one:
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Originally posted by Jocko
So you're assuming. sans evidence, that blacks comprise a disproportionate percentage of the felon population.

Nice. Do you even know what a black person looks like, out there in the Scandinavian hinterland?
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45948&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
 
crimresearch said:
Well, I understand why you are here...No doubt 'helping the JREF mission' by defending those who attack a well known skeptic like Penn

It may come as a surprise to you, but skeptics - such as Penn - are not exempt from criticism. If they were, it would not be skepticism.

Do you really think that Penn should not be questioned?

crimresearch said:
the one about black people that you are currently evading just being the latest that I am aware of.

Huh??
 
If you question Penn, you make baby jesus cry.





* Corplinx works for the company that owns the Rio. The Rio is the property where Penn and Teller perform their act. Despite this, Corplinx maintains his neutrality when discussing Penn and Teller.
 
Sylvia couldn't have done better herself Claus...'Huh'? is such a devastating logical put down when confronted with mere facts and quotes.

As far as the very narrow topic currently under discussion as to whether Penn's celebrity status means that he shouldn't be allowed to make skeptical comments like " If we keep voting for the lesser of two evils, it's going to keep getting more evil." ...

I've been crystal clear that I think he should...feel free to weigh in anytime as to how it advances the JREF mission to argue the opposite.

Or you can always resort to your usual form, and just make up a statement from whole cloth, slap quotation marks around it, and then claim I said it, with no links or proof.
 
crimresearch said:
Sylvia couldn't have done better herself Claus...'Huh'? is such a devastating logical put down when confronted with mere facts and quotes.

As far as the very narrow topic currently under discussion as to whether Penn's celebrity status means that he shouldn't be allowed to make skeptical comments like " If we keep voting for the lesser of two evils, it's going to keep getting more evil." ...

I've been crystal cleaar that I think he should...feel free to weigh in anytime as to how it advances the JREF mission to argue the opposite.

Or you can always resort to your usual form, and just make up a statement from whole cloth, slap quotation marks around it, and then claim I said it, with no links or proof.

No, I would just like to know what thread about "blacks" I have been evading. If you are going to accuse me of something, at least have the courtesy of providing a link, so I will be able to defend myself.

I would also like to know if you really think Penn should not be questioned. You seem to make this point. However, I could be wrong. I would, if that is the case, like to know why you are attacking me for questioning Penn.

I don't see that questioning Penn would not advance the JREF mission. Perhaps you could elaborate a bit?
 
CFLarsen said:
No, I would just like to know what thread about "blacks" I have been evading. If you are going to accuse me of something, at least have the courtesy of providing a link, so I will be able to defend myself.

I would also like to know if you really think Penn should not be questioned. You seem to make this point. However, I could be wrong. I would, if that is the case, like to know why you are attacking me for questioning Penn.

I don't see that questioning Penn would not advance the JREF mission. Perhaps you could elaborate a bit?

You are really getting good at this Claus..of course the link that I did provide to that very quote ( along with the very specific answers already given to your repeated questions) must be invisible to your eyes alone...is that your story now? You can't see black people, and you can't read links if they are posted by minorities?
:dl:

What a shame...some of us are on here debunking medical myths in one thread, debunking Qi in another thread, providing factual links to reports on modern slavery and corrupt police organizations in other threads, ....while Claus is 'advancing the JREF mission' by posting falsehoods as 'fact' and siding with the anti-skeptic crowd, ignoring factual links by claiming they aren't there, forging non-existent quotes, and alway tapdancing, tapdancing, tapdancing...

:rolleyes:
 

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