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Pence Vs Harris

Watching Harris and Pence argue about which administration loves fracking more is some 100% high test nihilism fuel.

Please remember to vote blue lol
 
Yes both Mike Pence and the woman he spent the entire debate attacking as "the most liberal person in the Senate, even more liberal than Bernie Sanders" are in-distinguishable to you because you're just that progressive.

Neither of them showed up wearing a necklace made of the ears of dead cops, so they are just "LOL both sides suck" to you.
 
Hm? Oh, I already voted, so my opinion doesn't matter much here.

But, I got to watch Harris immediately call Dolt 45 a failure (he is), and treat Pence like a man-baby (he is), and in the end, the polls won't change, but I enjoyed it.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yes both Mike Pence and the woman he spent the entire debate attacking as "the most liberal person in the Senate, even more liberal than Bernie Sanders" are in-distinguishable to you because you're just that progressive.

Neither of them showed up wearing a necklace made of the ears of dead cops, so they are just "LOL both sides suck" to you.
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I think a Biden administration is much preferable to 4 more years of Trump, and I will vote to that effect.

That doesn't change that the supposed liberal party in this country has largely surrendered the issue of the coming climate crisis to the right wing. The libs dance to the right wing's tune and promise to keep fracking and drilling and burning until our planet is unlivable.


Climate change is an issue where "better" really isn't good enough. The longer we wait, the more drastic action will be required to address this problem. There may very well come a time, soon too, where there is no longer viable remedies and we just have to accept a more inhospitable planet. Meanwhile Harris is on stage white knighting for fracking for ****'s sake.

Kamala might have to the left of Stalin in the Senate, but she's clearly taking the Biden company line, which is fairly conservative, to heart. Senator and candidate Harris might have supported the Green New Deal, but that's a dead issue for the Biden administration.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Watching Harris and Pence argue about which administration loves fracking more is some 100% high test nihilism fuel.
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Blame the Electoral College, and the history of neoliberal economics that's left Pennsylvania dirt poor and scraping the bones of its fossil fuel deposits to keep up its meth habit. Whoever hugs the oil pipeline hardest wins Pennsylvania, and whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the nation. It's stupid, it's shortsighted, it's ultimately poisoning the ground, but it's the only thing some people have left to stay afloat. In this election if you're against fracking, you lose.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Blame the Electoral College, and the history of neoliberal economics that's left Pennsylvania dirt poor and scraping the bones of its fossil fuel deposits to keep up its meth habit. Whoever hugs the oil pipeline hardest wins Pennsylvania, and whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the nation. It's stupid, it's shortsighted, it's ultimately poisoning the ground, but it's the only thing some people have left to stay afloat. In this election if you're against fracking, you lose.
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I don't doubt the political savvy here, I just find it depressing.

Can't say I agree with the poorshaming of Pennsylvania here. The people there rightly perceive that if they "take one for the team" and stop their energy extraction, the nation will not be there to help them find a new way of making a living. Elitist libs will take food off their table and tell them to stop ******* their sisters and learn to code while doing nothing to actually prevent the entire state from collapsing into poverty.

Mocking the poor for diseases of despair is not politically wise. There is no future for alternative energy policy in this country unless there is a real solution to the problems that dismantling the oil economy would cause.
 
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Well... yeah. The whole "Yeah we just totally botched the move from a mostly rural-manufacturing based economy to an urban/suburban tech-service based one... opps our bad just.... I dunno hurry up and die I guess because honestly we don't have anything resembling a plan here country folk..." attitude is the single biggest social/political botch of the last quarter century and the single, by far, largest factor in how a trolling demigod like Trump got elected.
 
Isn't fracking kind of a moot point nowadays? I thought lower oil prices was making high-cost fracking economically inviable.

Not saying that things can't change, and oil prices could skyrocket in the near future reigniting the frack boom, but seems odd that there was so much special emphasis on fracking at this debate.
 
lionking said:
Pence was... obviously lying.
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She really should have been pointing out the lies. Otherwise, they remain unchallenged. (There was a time when I believed some conservative lies because their opponents simply left them unchallenged and I thought surely the opposition would have said something if the claims weren't accurate.) Either make a meme out of immediately saying "That's a lie" or just "Lie" every single time, or bring out a whiteboard or a plexiglass divider/window thing and a marker and just start quietly adding tally marks to it every single time and then explain what you were tallying at the end or whenever they ask, or pick some other mechanism, but don't just quietly wait and then answer the same way you'd answer if it were true, because that just looks like conceding that it's true.

lionking said:
both parties are well to the right by Australian standards
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They are by American standards too. One survives by appealing to the right-wing minority of voters, and the other survives by fear-mongering everybody else with "but they're even worse than us and we're the only other choice", so we get two parties that are both to the right of most voters. Yay America.
 
JoeMorgue said:
It's symbolic. And right now that's all some people have.
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Normally I wouldn't care that much about VP debates, but with the two dinosaurs at the top of each ticket, there's a decent chance of a VP ascension in the next 4 years regardless of who wins. People are openly discussing whether Biden would even be able to run for reelection in 4 years, so it seems like a glide path is being set up for Harris.

VP's generally only have as much power as the POTUS gives them, and Pence seems to have very little impact on the Trump administration, but that could all change pretty easily.
 
The other issue is a 50/50 Split in the Senate is a very real possibility, so the VP might be the tiebreaker for a lot of legislation.
 
JoeMorgue said:
The other issue is a 50/50 Split in the Senate is a very real possibility, so the VP might be the tiebreaker for a lot of legislation.
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I mean, prereq for that is having a pulse. VP gonna vote however the party wishes, so it doesn't really matter who it is.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I don't doubt the political savvy here, I just find it depressing.

Can't say I agree with the poorshaming of Pennsylvania here. The people there rightly perceive that if they "take one for the team" and stop their energy extraction, the nation will not be there to help them find a new way of making a living. Elitist libs will take food off their table and tell them to stop ******* their sisters and learn to code while doing nothing to actually prevent the entire state from collapsing into poverty.
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IIRC the Democratic Party tried to do this by proposing grants for retraining and upskilling and the like. President Trump promised them their old jobs back.

The results speak for themselves, both in the election :( and in how President Trump failed to deliver :( :(
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I don't doubt the political savvy here, I just find it depressing.

Can't say I agree with the poorshaming of Pennsylvania here. The people there rightly perceive that if they "take one for the team" and stop their energy extraction, the nation will not be there to help them find a new way of making a living. Elitist libs will take food off their table and tell them to stop ******* their sisters and learn to code while doing nothing to actually prevent the entire state from collapsing into poverty.

Mocking the poor for diseases of despair is not politically wise. There is no future for alternative energy policy in this country unless there is a real solution to the problems that dismantling the oil economy would cause.
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Point is, Harris wasn't capitulating to the Democratic centrists. She was capitulating to the only issue that one critical state cares about.
 
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