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Pence Vs Harris

Bob001 said:
Responsible news organizations report the facts. If the fact is that someone is, as you put it, "a lying, incoherent, self-centered crybaby" who is also an ignorant vicious crook, that's what they will report. It's not their job to be neutral. What could that even mean? It's not their job to find a way to make someone look good despite the facts. Trump has never been convicted of murder, for example, but there's no necessity to work that into every story about him..
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Many Faux News hosts (Ingraham, Carlson, Pirro) think that is exactly their job, and if they can trigger the Libs while doing it, more's the better.
 
Stacyhs said:
Trump is technically correct by using the word "quote", but Harris was correct about the facts. Lincoln did, in fact, delay the confirmation of his SC nominee until after the election when the seat became available just 27 days before the election.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/08/kamala-harris-jumped-conclusions-about-abraham-lin/
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Harris lied and made up her own "Lincoln quote". Abraham Lincoln never said that. This is evidence of an attempted rewrite of history.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-dishonesty-on-abe-lincoln/

"Lincoln, of course, said no such thing. He sent no nominee to the Senate in October 1864 because the Senate was out of session until December. He sent a nominee the day after the session began, and Salmon P. Chase was confirmed the same day"
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Harris lied and made up her own "Lincoln quote". Abraham Lincoln never said that. This is evidence of an attempted rewrite of history.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-dishonesty-on-abe-lincoln/

"Lincoln, of course, said no such thing. He sent no nominee to the Senate in October 1864 because the Senate was out of session until December. He sent a nominee the day after the session began, and Salmon P. Chase was confirmed the same day"
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Desperate for anything, aren't you?

"Oh noooes! Harris said one wrong thing while Pence spouted lie after lie after lie! So its all even stevenzies!"
 
kookbreaker said:
Desperate for anything, aren't you?

"Oh noooes! Harris said one wrong thing while Pence spouted lie after lie after lie! So its all even stevenzies!"
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If making up an historical quote from Lincoln seems ok with you I guess all is well. Now consider how you would feel if Mike Pence had done the same........
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
If making up an historical quote from Lincoln seems ok with you I guess all is well. Now consider how you would feel if Mike Pence had done the same........
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Bad Faith Argument as usual.

Besides, the point was that the GOP is trying to ram home a SCOTUS nomination just weeks before an election while in 2016 they positively rent their shirts in horror that a SCOTUS judge might be assigned almost 3/4 of a year before an election.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Harris lied and made up her own "Lincoln quote". Abraham Lincoln never said that. This is evidence of an attempted rewrite of history.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-dishonesty-on-abe-lincoln/

"Lincoln, of course, said no such thing. He sent no nominee to the Senate in October 1864 because the Senate was out of session until December. He sent a nominee the day after the session began, and Salmon P. Chase was confirmed the same day"
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Lincoln could have called for a special session but did not. It was certainly within his power to do so. So Harris's point is still correct. If the Senate were out of session now, you can bet your bottom dollar that Trump would call one in a heart beat in order to push through ACB's confirmation before he election.
 
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lionking said:
Harris was not a great debater, but was a consummate politician. Staying on theme, ensuring she got her rehearsed points out, not rising to the bait.

But Pence was pathetic. Not as bullying as Trump, but talking over Harris regularly, ignoring the moderator (Harris did too, but not as often) and obsequious to Trump in a nauseating manner. Oh, and obviously lying.

It was a slam dunk to Harris.

And to those who don’t know, both parties are well to the right by Australian standards, and I wouldn’t vote for either if I was in the US. The Democrats are by many measures pretty close to our right wing Liberal National Party.
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Watching Harris and Pence argue about which administration loves fracking more is some 100% high test nihilism fuel.
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I did cringe at that, yes.


SuburbanTurkey said:
Isn't fracking kind of a moot point nowadays? I thought lower oil prices was making high-cost fracking economically inviable.

Not saying that things can't change, and oil prices could skyrocket in the near future reigniting the frack boom, but seems odd that there was so much special emphasis on fracking at this debate.
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It wasn't explicitly said, but I've seen Trump go on about how fracking means "hundreds of thousands of jobs".

Ignoring the fact that there are jobs in solar, methane, wind, wave power.

In Australia, our "right-wing" Prime Minister has said a few times lately, "gas is a transition fuel".

Not sure what he means there, but at least he's looking towards a more green future unlike Trump.
 
This is a follow-followup from a comment the other day in the Harris Pence thread but I didn't want to further derail it.

Elagabalus said:
Minor quibble. "Race" Bannon was the body guard* of Dr. Quest.

* back in the day on Adult Swim there was an episode of "Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law" where he represents Race(?). I can't quite remember the details but it was alluded to that Race and Dr. Quest were a "thing" and played on the whole complete lack of female energy in any episode of Jonny Quest.
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A pretty well done YT doc about Jonny Quest.



which has @ 2:01:46 an excerpt of the previously mentioned "Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law"! Yay!!

https://youtu.be/4D4N2ybJFoE?t=7306

ETA! Ooops!
 
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Harris did OK in the debate. She did not make any major mistakes. That is all she needed to be.
 
angrysoba said:
To be honest, I was really hoping that Harris was less restrained. I wanted hI found it a disturbing and frankly extremely sad commentary on the US, that people assume (correctly or otherwise) that Kamala was pulling her punches because she is worried about the optics of a black woman being assertive, passionate or aggressive in a debate.
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Meanwhile, pretty much everyone on black twitter likened her to a long-suffering black mom who was clearly showing contempt for the actions of the child in front of her. It's "restraint" in that she didn't smack him in the mouth, but that's about it. But that's the reason they all prepare - "we expect your opponent to do X, respond by doing Y". Pence mimiced Dolt 45, as usual for him, Harris handled it well. Naturally, misogynists like Dave Rubin and Rush Limbaugh hated her, women in generally said "oh, he's *that* guy at work that I hate". End result? Harris wins.

But I think the strategy makes sense in what you say - "The polls won't change." As it is, Biden-Harris are way ahead in the polls, and it is Trump-Pence who need to shake things up in the debates. By holding off in the debates like a defensive boxer, and making the opponent do the chasing, they don't need to risk losing the lead they have, whereas Trump and Pence are the ones trying to make their ever more desperate swings connect.
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thing is, I really can't remember the last time a VP debate changed anything - and even the last presidential debate was just one part of a wave of bad news for Toupee Fiasco. Quayle was just a walking embarrassment, Palin got slaughtered by Katie Couric. Long term, these events simply don't matter, in large part because anyone who cares should already know what they need to about each candidate already, and the people who don't care...don't care. That's why even Clinton's stomping of Cheeto Benito in every debate had no lasting effect.
 
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