Gord_in_Toronto
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Still, I'll say this for Indigo Children - they've got lively imaginations...
Who would of thunk it?
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Who would of thunk it?
Alice Shortcake
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Gary is now licking his wounds in a woo-friendly environment - http://spiritlove.freeforums.org/portal.php - and has come up with this hilarious explanation for his dishonesty:
"Sceptics are always a pain in the backside. My predicament is the 2 medical professions I mentioned that back my work. Thankfully I mis spelled ones name and called the other by the name I personally call him (i also thinkI need to check his last name as I spent some time with his family last yar and assumed he had the same last name as them) and I think I got his potion wrong he is a physiotherapist for northwick part hospitall but apprently not the head which honstly is news to me :-D. Do I come out with the real names - would clear my name in that case but I fear they would be harrassed just as some of the centers I am working at are being harase at the moment. Evenb recieveing threats!"
The "harase" (sic) and "threats" he's referring to can only be my e-mails to the venues at which he's scheduled to appear over the next couple of months. I thought they should know exactly what kind of person they're dealing with. Here's a typical example of what I wrote:
"Dear Sir/Madam,
I would like to draw your attention to the claims and activities of Mr Gary Mannion, a 20-year-old practitioner of alternative medicine who will be appearing at ---- on ----.
Mr Mannion's claims are currently being investigated by representatives of the websites www.badpsychics.com and www.skeptics.org.uk. We are particularly concerned by the following aspects of Mr Mannion's work:
A) On many occasions, most recently at a "demonstration of psychic surgery" at St James' Church, Piccadilly, Mr Mannion has claimed to have worked with Dr Gowri Motha ("obstetrician to the stars" and pioneer of the waterbirth technique), Manesh Naidoo (Head Physiotherapist at Northwick Park Hospital) and Glen Davies, a homeopathic doctor with 30 years' experience.
Dr Motha has informed me via e-mail that although she knows Mr Mannion, she has not seen him for a year and has "yet to be impressed" by his abilities. Dr Motha added that she is concerned by his "extravagant claims", so concerned in fact that she has asked him to stop using her name in future.
Manesh Naidoo is not Head Physiotherapist at Northwick Park, and a spokeswoman for the hospital tells me that no-one of that or a similar name has been employed at Northwick Park in the five years she has worked there.
Dr Glen Davies does not appear on the registers of the General Medical Council, the British Homeopathic Association or the Society of Homeopaths.
B) Mr Mannion has used the copyrighted technique "Brain Gym" (http://www.braingym.org.uk/) in at least one workshop and has described it in misleading terms several times in an online Q&A session, yet his name does not appear of the register of accredited instructors. "Brain Gym" has no record of him attending any of their training courses.
C) Mr Mannion appears to be using and even teaching hypnotherapy, yet refuses to say what qualifications he has, if any.
D) Most disturbing of all, Mr Mannion treats cancer patients. One of Mr Mannion's websites includes a testimonial from "Rodger Andrews" which insinuates that his terminal cancer completely disappeared within two days of Mr Mannion's treatment (http://www.divinemessengers.com/GM Testamonials.htm).
Although Mr Mannion goes to great lengths to insist that he does NOT claim to cure cancer - even using the farcical get-out clause that "Anything mentioned by me is MY OPINION. I do not medically claim anything and do not state that what I say is correct" - it is perfectly obvious to anyone, particularly terminally ill people desperate enough to try anything, that Mr Mannion is actually saying "I believe I can cure cancer but I'm not legally allowed to say so".
On behalf of those members of UK-Skeptics and BadPsychics who have gone to a great deal of time and trouble to expose Mr Mannion's lies and evasions I would ask you to look further into Mr Mannion's claims before allowing him to exploit vulnerable people in -----."
Threats? Harrassment? I don't think any recipient of that e-mail will be rushing to report me to the police...
One of Gary's spiritlove supporters is "rainbows", a lady who as "lara123" popped up on UK-Skeptics last year to tell us about her amazing ability to contact dead embryos. She's offered to help Gary out with his oops-I-got-some-names-wrong problem:
"Gary,yes if you would email me the names i will check them out and at least the name issue will perhaps be solved one and for all."
Bear in mind that the only person whose name Gary managed to get right, Dr Gowri Motha, has asked him to stop using her as a reference. As for the harrassment these poor souls might face from the nasty sceptics, the word "paranoia" springs to mind...
Speaking of paranoia, here's what Gary had to suffer when he gave a "demonstration of psychic surgery" at St James' Church last week:
"And as for harrassment I have recieved, when I worked at St James the other week they told me they had had to hire extra security because they had recieved threats."
I've asked St James' if there's any truth in this claim but haven't had a reply yet.
However, there have been a few interesting developments. Either Gary has had an attack of conscience or he's been contacted by his local Trading Standards Authority, because on one of his sites the "Rodger Andrews" testimonial has been altered to read:
"Rodger came to see me because he suffered with Liver Cancer and was told he had 3 years left to live if he had Chemo and radiotherapy. However he was told that he would not recover from this cancer. Due to the law regarding cancer I have removed the text that was here and reiterate I do not claim to cure cancer. What I can say is Rodger is currently well, still with us and happy to recommend me to anyone."
This has also appeared:
"All testimonials featured are of the opinion of the person that wrote them: Gary Mannion takes no responsibility for anything stated and would like to make it clear for legal reasons that he does not claim to have healed or cured anyone. Even if no medical explanation can be given for a persons recovery."
I love the "Even if no medical explanation can be given for a persons recovery" bit...
"Sceptics are always a pain in the backside. My predicament is the 2 medical professions I mentioned that back my work. Thankfully I mis spelled ones name and called the other by the name I personally call him (i also thinkI need to check his last name as I spent some time with his family last yar and assumed he had the same last name as them) and I think I got his potion wrong he is a physiotherapist for northwick part hospitall but apprently not the head which honstly is news to me :-D. Do I come out with the real names - would clear my name in that case but I fear they would be harrassed just as some of the centers I am working at are being harase at the moment. Evenb recieveing threats!"
The "harase" (sic) and "threats" he's referring to can only be my e-mails to the venues at which he's scheduled to appear over the next couple of months. I thought they should know exactly what kind of person they're dealing with. Here's a typical example of what I wrote:
"Dear Sir/Madam,
I would like to draw your attention to the claims and activities of Mr Gary Mannion, a 20-year-old practitioner of alternative medicine who will be appearing at ---- on ----.
Mr Mannion's claims are currently being investigated by representatives of the websites www.badpsychics.com and www.skeptics.org.uk. We are particularly concerned by the following aspects of Mr Mannion's work:
A) On many occasions, most recently at a "demonstration of psychic surgery" at St James' Church, Piccadilly, Mr Mannion has claimed to have worked with Dr Gowri Motha ("obstetrician to the stars" and pioneer of the waterbirth technique), Manesh Naidoo (Head Physiotherapist at Northwick Park Hospital) and Glen Davies, a homeopathic doctor with 30 years' experience.
Dr Motha has informed me via e-mail that although she knows Mr Mannion, she has not seen him for a year and has "yet to be impressed" by his abilities. Dr Motha added that she is concerned by his "extravagant claims", so concerned in fact that she has asked him to stop using her name in future.
Manesh Naidoo is not Head Physiotherapist at Northwick Park, and a spokeswoman for the hospital tells me that no-one of that or a similar name has been employed at Northwick Park in the five years she has worked there.
Dr Glen Davies does not appear on the registers of the General Medical Council, the British Homeopathic Association or the Society of Homeopaths.
B) Mr Mannion has used the copyrighted technique "Brain Gym" (http://www.braingym.org.uk/) in at least one workshop and has described it in misleading terms several times in an online Q&A session, yet his name does not appear of the register of accredited instructors. "Brain Gym" has no record of him attending any of their training courses.
C) Mr Mannion appears to be using and even teaching hypnotherapy, yet refuses to say what qualifications he has, if any.
D) Most disturbing of all, Mr Mannion treats cancer patients. One of Mr Mannion's websites includes a testimonial from "Rodger Andrews" which insinuates that his terminal cancer completely disappeared within two days of Mr Mannion's treatment (http://www.divinemessengers.com/GM Testamonials.htm).
Although Mr Mannion goes to great lengths to insist that he does NOT claim to cure cancer - even using the farcical get-out clause that "Anything mentioned by me is MY OPINION. I do not medically claim anything and do not state that what I say is correct" - it is perfectly obvious to anyone, particularly terminally ill people desperate enough to try anything, that Mr Mannion is actually saying "I believe I can cure cancer but I'm not legally allowed to say so".
On behalf of those members of UK-Skeptics and BadPsychics who have gone to a great deal of time and trouble to expose Mr Mannion's lies and evasions I would ask you to look further into Mr Mannion's claims before allowing him to exploit vulnerable people in -----."
Threats? Harrassment? I don't think any recipient of that e-mail will be rushing to report me to the police...
One of Gary's spiritlove supporters is "rainbows", a lady who as "lara123" popped up on UK-Skeptics last year to tell us about her amazing ability to contact dead embryos. She's offered to help Gary out with his oops-I-got-some-names-wrong problem:
"Gary,yes if you would email me the names i will check them out and at least the name issue will perhaps be solved one and for all."
Bear in mind that the only person whose name Gary managed to get right, Dr Gowri Motha, has asked him to stop using her as a reference. As for the harrassment these poor souls might face from the nasty sceptics, the word "paranoia" springs to mind...
Speaking of paranoia, here's what Gary had to suffer when he gave a "demonstration of psychic surgery" at St James' Church last week:
"And as for harrassment I have recieved, when I worked at St James the other week they told me they had had to hire extra security because they had recieved threats."
I've asked St James' if there's any truth in this claim but haven't had a reply yet.
However, there have been a few interesting developments. Either Gary has had an attack of conscience or he's been contacted by his local Trading Standards Authority, because on one of his sites the "Rodger Andrews" testimonial has been altered to read:
"Rodger came to see me because he suffered with Liver Cancer and was told he had 3 years left to live if he had Chemo and radiotherapy. However he was told that he would not recover from this cancer. Due to the law regarding cancer I have removed the text that was here and reiterate I do not claim to cure cancer. What I can say is Rodger is currently well, still with us and happy to recommend me to anyone."
This has also appeared:
"All testimonials featured are of the opinion of the person that wrote them: Gary Mannion takes no responsibility for anything stated and would like to make it clear for legal reasons that he does not claim to have healed or cured anyone. Even if no medical explanation can be given for a persons recovery."
I love the "Even if no medical explanation can be given for a persons recovery" bit...
Mojo
Mostly harmless
I think there's still a clearly implied claim of a cure for cancer in that passage about "Rodger".
Also, regarding the attempted get-out in "all testimonials featured are of the opinion of the person that wrote them: Gary Mannion takes no responsibility for anything stated": the "Rodger" statement is evidently written by Gary, not "Rodger".
FarSideOfTheMoon
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He isn't just a liar, he is a coward as well then.
I fail to see when no medical explanation can be given for a persons recovery applies. The combination of the body's own healing mechanisms and the conventional treatment these 'clients' of his are most still receiving is enough evidence in itself.
I haven't seen many medical professionals citing miraculous claims in the media recently.
I fail to see when no medical explanation can be given for a persons recovery applies. The combination of the body's own healing mechanisms and the conventional treatment these 'clients' of his are most still receiving is enough evidence in itself.
I haven't seen many medical professionals citing miraculous claims in the media recently.
Alice Shortcake
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Some good news: Gary has been warned that if he continues to mention Northwick Park Hospital in his false claims legal action will be taken against him. Also, "BrainGym" has informed Gary that he is using their trademark illegally, and that if he continues to do so the company will also take legal action. It must have come as something of a shock to Gary that Indigo Children are subject to the same rules and regulations as the rest of us!
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Alice Shortcake
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There is now a website devoted entirely to young Mr Mannion's exploits:
www.badpsychicsgarymannion.co.uk
www.badpsychicsgarymannion.co.uk