• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Merged Peace President invades Venezuela,/U.S. Forces Capture Maduro

Ziggurat said:
Am I wrong? Did he get us into war during his first term?

Nope. I was correct about that.
Click to expand...

I don't recall saying otherwise, so congrats on being right about something no one disputed.

Ziggurat said:
Are we in a war now? Not really. You're worried we might get into a war because of this, but this ain't war yet. Just like the strike on Iran wasn't really war either. There was a lot of fear that our strike on Iran would turn into a war, but it didn't. The fears of that were misplaced.
Click to expand...

"Not really" doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

Trump has gotten us into wars by the same standard you used to claim that Obama did. We just invaded a sovereign nation to implement regime change. That's far more war-like than anything Obama did, who, again, you claimed got us into a war.

These clowns renamed the Department of Defense the Department of War, so it's not like they're trying to hide it.

Ziggurat said:
You have no principles other than hostility to anything not hard left.
Click to expand...

Flailing nonsense from someone conclusively proven to be full of ◊◊◊◊.

MAGA cultists 2023/24: War bad. Trump no make war. Trump good.
MAGA cultists 2025/26: War good. Trump make war. Trump good.
 
Last edited:
Jack by the hedge said:
Or perhaps the US military got messages to the right people in the Venezuelan military explaining that any defensive actions by them would be treated to overwhelming unpleasantness, and it might be better for everyone if they appeared to be taken by surprise as token attacks would be made, and then nobody need get hurt, the inevitable would happen anyway and at the end of it they could still have a military and thus a career.
Click to expand...
Doubt it, how could they guarantee that every unit would stand down?
 
theprestige said:
What gets me is how fast the Venezuelan military folded. Maduro must have had the softest praetorians in the western hemisphere.
Click to expand...
It was an in and out raid, apart from 40 people in Maduro's bodyguard and staff the military weren't involved.
Let's see what happens when American ground troops land at the airfields and docks and move in to the cities and oil fields to take over.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Doubt it, how could they guarantee that every unit would stand down?
Click to expand...
Opinion I've seen over on the Scrutable forum says it's really the army which calls the shots, so if the US says Maduro has to go then they're the people to strike a deal with.

Trump probably doesn't care who's in the president's office so long as the oil money flows so if the army want Maduro's deputy then Trump's support for the opposition can melt away like snow., from "70% support" to "she hasn't got the support".

IDK if this is true but it would likely mean the air strikes were a token and the abduction unopposed. It would also explain a lack of US boots on the ground taking charge of things.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom