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Merged Paul Ryan to quit in January 2019

Hans said:
Any possibility he did so so he can run unencumbered for the Republican nomination in 2020?
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I've heard people speculate about that. I suppose it's possible that he thinks his chances are good even though it seems like an absurd longshot to me.
 
I can't imagine why anyone would clamor for the Speakership these days. It requires cashing in favors rather than acquiring them, it's tireless, thankless, and anything you accomplish some jerk from a whole other branch of government comes along and says they get all the credit.

This is where the tapatalk signature that annoys people used to be
 
Delphic Oracle said:
I can't imagine why anyone would clamor for the Speakership these days. It requires cashing in favors rather than acquiring them, it's tireless, thankless, and anything you accomplish some jerk from a whole other branch of government comes along and says they get all the credit.

This is where the tapatalk signature that annoys people used to be
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I agree.

Red Ink Ryan really just wants to make it through October. That's when he will have been speaker for 3 years, with the higher salary that goes with the speakership. And guess what? His pension is determined using the last 3 years of his salary.
 
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I guess that the Republicans have essentially conceded the fact that they will loose control of the House in the upcoming elections.

And as such, Paul Ryan would rather quit now than face the dual ignominy of loosing the House and his job as Speaker of the House later.
 
Crossbow said:
I guess that the Republicans have essentially conceded the fact that they will loose control of the House in the upcoming elections.

And as such, Paul Ryan would rather quit now than face the dual ignominy of loosing the House and his job as Speaker of the House later.
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Nevermind.
 
Crossbow said:
I guess that the Republicans have essentially conceded the fact that they will loose control of the House in the upcoming elections.

And as such, Paul Ryan would rather quit now than face the dual ignominy of loosing the House and his job as Speaker of the House later.
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There are rumors that the big contributors to the GOP are starting to pull their money out of the House races as a lost cause and put it into the Senate races.
 
I now think the rise of a Anti Trump Movement on the conservative side is inevitable. The departure of Ryan indicated the more Libertarian wing of the GOP has lost the war for the GOP's soul, and they will soon depart to form a movement of their own. Which I, for one, might have some sympathy for since on fiscal issues I would be considered a moderate conservative.
The GOP is now longer about fiscal restraint,limits on Government, etc, but all bout Race and Religious hatred of anybody who is not a WHite American. SO lone as this remains the case, it will be a cold day in hell before I vote GOP again.
I think a couple of the Trump defenders here are basically classic conservatives who are in denial about what has happened to the GOP. A couple of the other Trump defenders are full scale members of the Trump Personalty cult. The former might eventually come to their senses,but the latter are probably a lost cause.
 
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dudalb said:
I now think the rise of a Anti Trump Movement on the conservative side is inevitable. The departure of Ryan indicated the more Libertarian wing of the GOP has lost the war for the GOP's soul, and they will soon depart to form a movement of their own. Which I, for one, might have some sympathy for since on fiscal issues I would be considered a moderate conservative.
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I doubt it. This pattern is nothing new, hard-core Republicans have been sloughing away for decades when the party got too crazy for them. The only thing that’s changed is just how extreme these people are in their own right. The only thing that changes is a new, even crazier, normal that Republicans are expected to espouse.


dudalb said:
The GOP is now longer about fiscal restraint,limits on Government, etc,
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Those haven’t been anything more than talking points for at least 30 years. I don’t the there is any real policy behind any of todays Republicans, it’s all devolved into political memes that they repeat in order to hold onto power.
 
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dudalb said:
I wonder if there's a chance the republicans could just "give up" on trying to win the house (expecting the Democrats have enough momentum to win regardless of what the republicans do), and concentrate all their efforts on the senate.

It would also have the secondary benefit of having the Democrats in at least partial control of Congress if/when the economy starts to go tank thanks to Trump's trade wars and the republican tax plans.
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No way.You do not concede either house of congress.
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I'm not suggesting an actual full-out concession "we won't run anybody", but more of a "we will spend a lot less than we normally would" Even with big donors, there are limits to how much money they can spend; concentrating it on the senate (where they have a better chance at maintaining control) would make some sense.
And the Party controlling the White House always takes the rap when the economy goes south.
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Yeah, they do. But there may be at least a few feeble-minded Republicans who will buy the whole "Its the democrats fault because they have the house" even if they still have a republican white house and senate. Just look at how much effort they've been putting into the whole "deep state" claims.
 
plague311 said:
Right...that kind of reinforces my point. A party cannot choose who represents them, but the person can pick which party they go to in an attempt to garner the most votes. Those people consistently chose to represent the Republican party, why is that?
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Under your system, maybe not. In other systems, this simply doesn't occur as the local party takes a vote on who their candidate is.
 
The fact that public polls and the Republicans' own internal polls show a Republican catastrophe coming in the next couple of rounds of elections is not necessarily very good for Democrats, for two reasons.

1. Even a very large Democrat wave can still seem small compared to overblown expectations.

2. No matter how big the wave is, it can still be temporary if the Democrats take the wrong lesson from it and don't get their act together, because they are spectacularly talented at finding ways to turn opportunity into failure.
 
Delvo said:
The fact that public polls and the Republicans' own internal polls show a Republican catastrophe coming in the next couple of rounds of elections is not necessarily very good for Democrats, for two reasons.

1. Even a very large Democrat wave can still seem small compared to overblown expectations.

2. No matter how big the wave is, it can still be temporary if the Democrats take the wrong lesson from it and don't get their act together, because they are spectacularly talented at finding ways to turn opportunity into failure.
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I remember what Will Rogers use to say. 'I don't belong to an organized political party, I'm a Democrat'.

Normally, I don't think you can just say we're against the President and expect to win. Trump may just be an exception. There are very very few people who don't have a visceral reaction to Trump. There are people who would support him if he shot somebody in Midtown Manhattan and one hell of a lot of people who dread reading the day's news wondering what Mr. Batcrap Crazy did today.
 
slyjoe said:
I agree.

Red Ink Ryan really just wants to make it through October. That's when he will have been speaker for 3 years, with the higher salary that goes with the speakership. And guess what? His pension is determined using the last 3 years of his salary.
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I thought it was 3 highest not last. They generally go together but not always.
 
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