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Alright, Party Time! I'm on board!

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Bill Thompson said:
Working Class. Same thing. It was their ideology. Sorry you missed the boat. Don't blame me. Their whole system was based on putting the middle...I mean, working.... class at the top of the food chain. It did not work. This will not work either.

Sledge ain't a yank, by the way.
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Wow, Bill, just wow.

Now you don't know the difference between the working class and the bourgeoisie?

A definite data point that shows you are just throwing words around without any meaning. The goal of the soviet system was to break the middle class down into the working class. The bourgeoisie are viewed as the enforcers of the oligarchs in the capitalist system

There is a huge difference between the working class and the middle class in the soviet mind set.

Epic fai!
 
Bill Thompson said:
"Middle Class" means "Worker Class" and "Spreading the wealth around"
did not work for the Soviet Union either. It is "Party" time.
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I notice a walk back here, nice strategy, you have now switched from 20% unemployment to 'double digits', so in your victory lap you can pretend that 10% = 20%
 
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Upchurch said:
By "both sides", are you referring to the real world and Savage's fantasy world? Do you honestly consider Savage a valid source of information on anything other than botany?
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Can't think it is a fantasy when Obama used the exact terms during the presidential debates that Savage would predict he would use. I would not believe if that did not happen.
 
Dancing David said:
I notice a walk back here, nice strategy, you have now switched from 20% unemployment to 'double digits', so in you victory lap you can pretend that 10% = 20%
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I don't understand you. But that is ok. I doubt you understand you. Do you? If you do, please explain what you are talking about. How is 10 percent unemployment a victory? Explain how 20 percent is not double digits. Are you grasping at straws? Are you looking for minutia to complain about in the absence of a real point?
 
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Denver said:
Whether it does or doesn't, it not really the president's doing. Since the recession (or whatever you wish to call it) the economy has been on a path of natural recovery, assisted pretty much solely by the manipulation of interests rates. It was critical for each party to get into power these next four years, since whatever party is there, will take credit for continued recovery.
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I don't think so. There are programs in place that will indirectly impact unemployment and other aspects of business. Just watch. There are other programs that will expire soon and will not be renewed, like the Bush tax cuts.
 
Dancing David said:
Wow, Bill, just wow.

Now you don't know the difference between the working class and the bourgeoisie?

A definite data point that shows you are just throwing words around without any meaning. The goal of the soviet system was to break the middle class down into the working class. The bourgeoisie are viewed as the enforcers of the oligarchs in the capitalist system

There is a huge difference between the working class and the middle class in the soviet mind set.

Epic fai!
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The middle class is the working class. Nothing else could be more obvious.

Obama's economic model is trickle up poverty.

Sure there are differences between the Soviet Union and the government structure of the USA. I did not say they were exactly the same. The fact that you choose to interpret what I said that way speaks volumes about your mind set. How is your argument not a Staw Man argument and a transparent one as well?

The epic fail is yours
 
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Bill, how much action can I get from you on unemployment hitting double digits between now and November 2014?
 
Bill Thompson said:
The middle class is the working class. Nothing else could be more obvious.
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Bill, if you believe that, fine. But that is certainly not according to the ideology of the Soviet Union or Marxism in general. Marx and Lenin, specifically, had quite a bit to say about the distinctions between the two.
 
Bill Thompson said:
I would not believe if that did not happen.
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Oh, of course you would. You've already admitted that your mindset is one where you are right no matter what happens. Whatever the prediction was, if Obama said something else you'd simply have said "Well he said X but that means the same thing as Y, so the prediction is true anyway." Or you'd have said "Well he didn't say it out loud, but that's because he knows how unpopular it would be. I could tell he wanted to say it, though."

It's the classic woo belief cycle of Claim, followed by Fail, followed by Excuse, followed by New Claim.
 
Bill Thompson said:
I don't understand you. But that is ok. I doubt you understand you. Do you? If you do, please explain what you are talking about. How is 10 percent unemployment a victory? Explain how 20 percent is not double digits. Are you grasping at straws? Are you looking for minutia to complain about in the absence of a real point?
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It goes to the credibility of your claim.

Your original claim was 20% unemployment which is a 150% rise on the current rate (8% give or take).

Your new claim is "double digits" which, at its lowest range is 10%, or a 25% rise on the current rate.

A rise in the unemployment rate to 10% would be very undesirable but it's a long way from 20%. If you now wish to retract your original prediction of 20% and say it was just post-election hyperbole and that in the cold light of day you think that a rise to 10% is a more realistic view then do that. If you're happy to stick with your 20% prediction then that's fine too, but don't claim that one is the equivalent of the other.
 
Dancing David said:
Wow, Bill, just wow.

Now you don't know the difference between the working class and the bourgeoisie?

A definite data point that shows you are just throwing words around without any meaning. The goal of the soviet system was to break the middle class down into the working class. The bourgeoisie are viewed as the enforcers of the oligarchs in the capitalist system

There is a huge difference between the working class and the middle class in the soviet mind set.

Epic fai!
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Thank you, beat me to it. Having lived under the system it's obvious to me that the op is totally and hopelessly clueless about this, we'll pretty much everything given his posting record. Most repubs are actually fairly unfamiliar with what communism was in the real world application, as their knowledge mostly comes from McCarthy and the myth of Reagan's defeat of it.

Epic fail is right
 
Money isn't the only way to gauge the success of a country. To me it's part of what is important. What I see happened under Obama is that Gay marriage was voted through by popular vote for the first time ever in the United States (in Maryland and Massachusetts.)

This shows a changing in the way people are thinking. It shows a social responsibility towards one another and developing critical thinking skills.

Older fuddy duddy type people want to "get back to the way things were" when the gettin' was good.

But if you look at the golden eras in American history you are going to see the marginalizing of minority groups who flew under the radar and basically did without. When you try to balance out the rights of everyone in the country, the ones who seem to have had success can feel that things are not as good as they used to be. But it's simply that things are not as good as they used to be for you.

It's coming around and it makes me happy. The voice of the American people is turning into what it should be, the voice of all. Not the voice of the elite.
 
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