Palestinian Civil War?

[demon]

"If Israel were 'gangsters' and all 'zionists' bent on a 'murder campaign' against palestinians then I am afraid Demon that the Gaza and West Bank would be fused glass by now.

Israel defeated the combined strength of the Arab armies several times, they could destroy the palestinians within a week."

How many times do we have to hear this crap? It`s a given that Israel with its huge weapons technology supplied by the US tax dollars could wipe out any number of Arabs with their stones and sharp sticks instantly.
Instead they engage in ethnic cleansing and genocide by stealth...they know how to play the game ZN, just like you do.

 

[zenith-nadir]

And just to prove that it is not all Israel's fault:

An explosion Sunday rocked the home of a Muslim fundamentalist in a Palestinian refugee camp in southern Lebanon

BEIRUT, Lebanon, March 7 (UPI) -- An explosion Sunday rocked the home of a Muslim fundamentalist in a Palestinian refugee camp in southern Lebanon, but no injuries were reported.

Security sources said the explosion occurred at the home of a member of the extremist Usbat al-Islam organization in the Ein al-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp, Lebanon's largest such camp, near the southern port of Sidon.

A similar explosion last week targeted a shop belonging to a member of the mainstream Palestinian Fateh movement in the same refugee camp, slightly injuring a young girl.

Officials blame both incidents on a power struggle among the camp's various Palestinian organizations.

Even with Israel "out of the equation" Palestinians IN OTHER COUNTRIES are blowing up Palestinians!.

 

[zenith-nadir]

How many times do we have to hear this crap? It`s a given that Israel with its huge weapons technology supplied by the US tax dollars could wipe out any number of Arabs with their stones and sharp sticks instantly.Instead they engage in ethnic cleansing and genocide by stealth...they know how to play the game ZN, just like you do.

Deflect and deny, then drop the "ethnic cleansing" bomb.

Your Mullah at your Madrass must be very proud!

 

[zenith-nadir]

If you though these pictures are from the West Bank or Gaza you are mistaken.

They are palestinians fighting other palestinians in Lebanon.

Loads of photos on the palestinian refugee camp clashes now online

 

[demon]

"Your Mullah at your Madrass must be very proud"

I`m afraid that`s a losing wicket old fellow. I`m an hard atheist and don`t base any of my arguments or positions on any woo woo religious texts or those who teach them.
Just another example of how we are different.

Oh well, maybe later. It`s lunchtime here and right now I hear the mating call of a pint of guinness down at the local.

 

[zenith-nadir]

It`s lunchtime here and right now I hear the mating call of a pint of guinness down at the local.

Well over that pint you might want to think about what Arafat and the Palestinian Authority have done with American and European foreign aid since it is important to you.

I'll give you a head start;

Palestinian aid audit

Palestinian Authority funds go to militants

Arafat's Billions

 

[Ziggurat]

As I said, pay attention more often and you would know I have said in no uncertain terms that the Israelis who vote these gangsters in bear a responsibility for their leaders. Israel is a brave little democracy afterall

So is this why your type doesn't actually like democracies, and prefers to support totalitarian regimes against their own people? Because that way the people can't be blamed for the crimes of their dictators?

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by demon
How many times do we have to hear this crap? It`s a given that Israel with its huge weapons technology supplied by the US tax dollars could wipe out any number of Arabs with their stones and sharp sticks instantly.
Instead they engage in ethnic cleansing and genocide by stealth...they know how to play the game ZN, just like you do.

Oh, so now Arabs fight wars with sticks and stones? Is this historical revisionism or just a racist characterization on the comparative sophistication of Arabs?

Either way, aren’t you ever embarrassed by saying such nonsense?

 

[demon]

Ziggurat:
"So is this why your type doesn't actually like democracies, and prefers to support totalitarian regimes against their own people? Because that way the people can't be blamed for the crimes of their dictators?"

My type? Care to be more specific or can`t you be bothered?
I support totalitrian regimes? Care to be more specific or can`t you be bothered?
The one who enjoys totalitarian regimes is you, it gives you the cruel excuse to support the actions of your administration and crucify the population of a country with sanctions that caused untold death and suffering under the guise of punishing their leader.
Did you ever hear of Halliday and Von SponecK? Educate yourself you warmongering moron instead or trying to insult peoiple here with your myths...it`s nothing less than despicable.

By the way, you have outstanding business in proving Chomsky is an apologist for genocide in Cambodia. The crickets are still chirping on that one you lair.

 

[a_unique_person]

Well over that pint you might want to think about what Arafat and the Palestinian Authority have done with American and European foreign aid since it is important to you.

I'll give you a head start;

Palestinian aid audit

Palestinian Authority funds go to militants

Arafat's Billions

And while you are there, consider what Israel is doing with the millions it gets from the US.

 

[demon]

Mycroft;
"Oh, so now Arabs fight wars with sticks and stones? Is this historical revisionism or just a racist characterization on the comparative sophistication of Arabs?

Either way, aren’t you ever embarrassed by saying such nonsense?"

Somehow, I find that statement to be in poor taste on a day when Israeli forces raided two Gaza refugee camps, killing at least 13 Palestinians (including children of course), and wounding 55.

 

[zenith-nadir]

And while you are there, consider what Israel is doing with the millions it gets from the US.

In other words, you are not interested a_unique_person in the Palestinian misuse of foreign aid and instead choose to deflect any criticism. Interesting attitude.

 

[Ziggurat]

Ziggurat:
"So is this why your type doesn't actually like democracies, and prefers to support totalitarian regimes against their own people? Because that way the people can't be blamed for the crimes of their dictators?"

My type? Care to be more specific or can`t you be bothered?

You, Chomsky, and Chomsky's supporters. That's your type.

I support totalitrian regimes? Care to be more specific or can`t you be bothered?

Saddam, the PA, take your pick.

The one who enjoys totalitarian regimes is you, it gives you the cruel excuse to support the actions of your administration and crucify the population of a country with sanctions that caused untold death and suffering under the guise of punishing their leader.

Ah, that old cannard. The US is a totalitarian regime. Pathetic. Not only are your characterizations meaningless, but your claims of what I want are nonsensical. You see, one of the reasons why I supported the invasion of Iraq was because I DIDN'T want the Iraqi people to continue to suffer for what Saddam had done. Kicking out Saddam and the Ba'athists would allow sanctions to be lifted, and provide a chance for the Iraqis to actually rebuild their country. Oh, the irony of your accusation.

Did you ever hear of Halliday and Von SponecK? Educate yourself you warmongering moron instead or trying to insult peoiple here with your myths...it`s nothing less than despicable.

Argument from authority, of course that was going to be next. Tell me, demon, was Churchill a war monger? Plenty of people called him that, I suspect you would have too, so I'm not exactly wounded by your attempts to attach that label to me. And can you actually list a myth that I'm propagating? Try to find something that I actually believe in, not your pathetic characterizations of what you would like others to think I believe, as above.

By the way, you have outstanding business in proving Chomsky is an apologist for genocide in Cambodia. The crickets are still chirping on that one you lair.

Yes, it took me a bit of time to respond to that, but it has now been provided, in the other thread. So you've finally found a legitimate point of criticism: I am often lazy. Go yell it on the mountain, I won't deny that one.

 

[Giz]

Somehow, I find that statement to be in poor taste on a day when Israeli forces raided two Gaza refugee camps, killing at least 13 Palestinians (including children of course), and wounding 55.

So we agree that using civilians as human shields is a bad thing?

Perhaps, just guessing, if suicide attacks stopped coming from that camp then IDF raids into it would cease also?

One "side" here is trying to prevent future atrocities against it's civilians whilst taking measures to minimise non-combatant casualties. The other side is cold-bloodedly targeting civilian rather than military/combatant targets whilst hiding in the midst of innocents whose blood they are willing to shed for proopaganda purposes.

Are you so blinded by tribalism that you can't see this?

 

[zenith-nadir]

Somehow, I find that statement to be in poor taste on a day when Israeli forces raided two Gaza refugee camps, killing at least 13 Palestinians (including children of course), and wounding 55.

Why were they in the camps demon?

1) For fun?

2) To test american-made weapons?

3) To continue the "zionist genocidal campaign"?

4) To root out terrorists who on Friday and Saturday March 5th and 6th 2004:

-Launched a Kassam rocket in the Gaza Strip which exploded in a parking lot in a shopping center in Sderot....Fired an anti-tank rocket at an IDF post near Gadid in Gush Katif....fired at an IDF post near Neveh Dekalim and another position at Rafah....Launched a mortar shell at the north Gaza security fence...Fired an anti-tank rocket at soldiers deployed on the Karni-Netzarim road...fired at an Israeli vehicle traveling between Osarin and Tapuah south of Nablus...fired at soldiers in Faroun south of Tulkarm....launched an abortive assault in fake Israeli army jeeps at the Erez crossing which KILLED six Palestinians and injured 20 palestinians....fired a number of times at soldiers on the Karni-Netzarim road...fire an anti-tank rocket at an Israeli convoy leaving Netzarim.



If you picked #4, you would be telling the whole story Demon....but I suspect you shall pick #2 & #3.

 

[zenith-nadir]

So we agree that using civilians as human shields is a bad thing?

Find the human shield game.....

 

[demon]

You are a liar zigurrat and I am calling you on it. Tell me how Chomsky sanctions genocide in Cambodia.
You can do that can`t you?
You huge bag of of armchair warmongering rage and wind

 

[Ziggurat]

You are a liar zigurrat and I am calling you on it.

Why didn't you call me on it in the relevant thread, then? Why did you need to start a new thread with just an attack and no evidence? Want to make it less obvious to other posters what the argument is really about?

Tell me how Chomsky sanctions genocide in Cambodia.

And now you try to change the subject, attributing to me a claim I never made. Did you learn this trick from Chomsky?

I never claimed Chomsky "sanctions" genocide in Cambodia. What I'm saying is that he tried to argue that genocide was not happening and that besides, whatever bad stuff was happening was all our fault anyways. That makes him an apologist. Either you're too careless to notice this is what I'm saying, too dumb to understand the difference, or too dishonest to actually talk about my real position. I won't claim to know which.