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Split Thread Overthrow of Allende - CIA conspiracy?

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9/11 1973, Santiago - Chile. The overthrow of the democratically elected president Allende was planned, funded, and supported by CIA. Plenty of evidence for that.
Curiously the number of murdered (and still missing) by Pinochet is around the same number of people killed in the US 9/11.
 
Cimerian said:
9/11 1973, Santiago - Chile. The overthrow of the democratically elected president Allende was planned, funded, and supported by CIA. Plenty of evidence for that.
Curiously the number of murdered (and still missing) by Pinochet is around the same number of people killed in the US 9/11.
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The Overlords require a sacrifice every 28 years. It's in the manual.
 
Cimerian said:
9/11 1973, Santiago - Chile. The overthrow of the democratically elected president Allende was planned, funded, and supported by CIA. Plenty of evidence for that.
Curiously the number of murdered (and still missing) by Pinochet is around the same number of people killed in the US 9/11.
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Curious coincidence.

Like the old tale of the Dow going up for the year if a team from the East wins the Superbowl, or what was it. Or the parallel decline of birth rates and the number of storks in Poland.

But this thread is about a theory for 9/11. What's yours?
 
Cimerian said:
9/11 1973, Santiago - Chile. The overthrow of the democratically elected president Allende was planned, funded, and supported by CIA. Plenty of evidence for that.
Curiously the number of murdered (and still missing) by Pinochet is around the same number of people killed in the US 9/11.
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facepalm.

Allende was NOT overthrown by the CIA nor did they assist the coup in any way (read: https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/chile/index.html) . He was overthrown by Pinochet on the orders of the Chamber of Deputies for being an authoritarian who sought to destroy the constitution (Read: Chamebr of Deputies Resolution).

And according to a recent very elft wing truth and reconciliation commission it was around 2000. While horrible, Pinochet's actions have been greatly exaggerated.

You seem to think that someone being elected allows them to do whatever they want. What about Mugabe or milosevic?
 
NWO Sentryman said:
facepalm.

Allende was NOT overthrown by the CIA nor did they assist the coup in any way (read: https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/chile/index.html) . He was overthrown by Pinochet on the orders of the Chamber of Deputies for being an authoritarian who sought to destroy the constitution (Read: Chamebr of Deputies Resolution).

And according to a recent very elft wing truth and reconciliation commission it was around 2000. While horrible, Pinochet's actions have been greatly exaggerated.

You seem to think that someone being elected allows them to do whatever they want. What about Mugabe or milosevic?
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Yes, the CIA did not support the overthrown of Allende because they were not concerned at all about Allende nationalization of the cooper mines and other US economics interest in the country. Keep living in a bubble.

Pinochet had the support of the US until the 80, and was forced to run a referendum, which he lost. It was not in the interest of the US to have a civil war with a full left government as probably output.

What do you mean 'greatly exaggerated'? Does it make it less horrible? What about raping women with dogs or rats? Not bad enough for you? By the way, guess where these torture methods were learned. Does School of Americas sound familiar to you?

I don't think being elected grants you the right to do what you want. But it does not mean some other country should intervene with a bloody coup to protect their own economic interests. Would you like if some country would intervene US to free you from 'evil western democracy?
 
AJM8125 said:
The Overlords require a sacrifice every 28 years. It's in the manual.
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I remember reading THE MANUALTM in the summer of 2000. It said, "Do a false flag involving thermite."

And the mother ****ers ran with it.
 
Let me tear this apart.

Cimerian said:
Yes, the CIA did not support the overthrown of Allende because they were not concerned at all about Allende nationalization of the cooper mines and other US economics interest in the country. Keep living in a bubble.
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Em, if you read the Mitrokhin Archive, you will find that Allende had very suspicious links with the KGB. And he was an unrepentant stalinist. :eek:

As for the copper mine, why was it not reprivatised by Pinochet? Oh wait, the cia is teh evolz who eat babies and worship satan. :rolleyes:

Pinochet had the support of the US until the 80, and was forced to run a referendum, which he lost. It was not in the interest of the US to have a civil war with a full left government as probably output.
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Explain why Chile didnt get the F-16 until the mid 90s when the US had an arms embargo on the country.

Nah, the Civil War would have led to Allende's defeat. Why? Because the majority were sick of him (ever heard of the march of the empty pots?)

What do you mean 'greatly exaggerated'? Does it make it less horrible? What about raping women with dogs or rats? Not bad enough for you? By the way, guess where these torture methods were learned. Does School of Americas sound familiar to you?
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Evidence for any of those Claims? Because KGB active measures ran a very big propaganda network claiming that the coup was a chilean holocaust.

And only a small minority of the SOA graduates were involved in human rights abuses and in fact there is a mandagory human rights course there. Just because they came from the SOA doesnt necesarrily mean that they were made into bloodthirsty psychopaths. they could ahve been bloodthirsty psychopaths to begin with. To put it this way, a small minoirty of school pupils from the slums of LA go into crime. Do you lay it at the feet of that school?

I don't think being elected grants you the right to do what you want. But it does not mean some other country should intervene with a bloody coup to protect their own economic interests. Would you like if some country would intervene US to free you from 'evil western democracy?
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The US had no economic interests in chile after Anaconda Copper began to belly up. Read the link i gave you.
 
That is 1970, not the 1973 coup. The CIA did attempt a failed coup in 1970 ill give you that, but my point still stands. The CIA did NOT overthrow Allende.
 
Fourbrick said:
The C.I.A had tried successfully twice to stop Allende from becoming President in 1958 and 1964, and they failed in 1970 to stop him becoming President. Although it has never been proved to be so, you would have to be very naïve to believe they weren't involved in 1974.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/NSA/CIA_Allende_LS.html
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New Information has come out indellibly linking Allende with the KGB (Namely, the Mitrokhin Archive). Read the Chamber of Deputies resolution to see why Allende was so hated (oh right, the devil worshipping CIA brainwashed everyone with the "propaganda model" :rolleyes:)

Check out Sentryman's corollary to Scopie's law http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5962904&postcount=449 :cool:

I would rather rely the CIA Inspector General's Report, which has congressional approval (remember, they fact check those things with a fine tooth comb) rather than some Conspiracy theory site which is a practicioner of the paranoid style.

Take a look at what they say about the al-qaeda attacks on NYC (they have DRG and Mr Fetzer spreading their woowoo round thsoe sites)

And the BS they spread about globalisation and pearl harbour and other tripe under "conspiracy theories". They are as reliable as Prison Planet. Heck, they might as well say that the world is ruled by Devil worshippers in their Prison Planet/Captain Planet worldview.

As well as that, the Church committee also ran an investigaton into the 1973 coup and came up with the same results (this was the same church committee which found out about Gladio, Ajax and Mockingbird.) And i dont ssee how if they could learn of Gladio's existence how they could overlook something as obvious as a CIA Coup in Chile.
 
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Don't know what Allende's involvement with the K.G.B. has to do with the argument about C.I.A. involvement in his overthrow, although I'll give you that it could have been the reason they were involved..

The Church Committee came to "no conclusions" regarding the involvement of the C.I.A.
Quote from the report:

"There is no hard evidence of direct U.S. assistance to the coup, despite frequent allegations of such aid. Rather the United States - by its previous actions during Track II, its existing general posture of opposition to Allende, and the nature of its contacts with the Chilean military- probably gave the impression that it would not look with disfavor on a military coup. And U.S. officials in the years before 1973 may not always have succeeded in walking the thin line between monitoring indigenous coup plotting and actually stimulating it. "

As I said no proof was found, but then that's why they were called covert operations.
 
AJM8125 said:
The Overlords require a sacrifice every 28 years. It's in the manual.
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In 2029 we're taking out President Beiber.
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They're letting Canadians in the White House now?

Meh, why not? We're electing Kenyans.
 
Guys, you are disappointing me.
You call yourself skeptics and you don't know the CIA sponsors most of the coup d'etat in the world? There is an old joke about that: Why is there no coups in the US? Answer: Because in the US there is no US embassy.
And beside don't knowing that, your only argument is to make my statements look ridicule?
and blaming on KGB propaganda? Excuse me, but some of you sound just like Nazi apologists.

Wake up dudes, I know it is hard to learn your government and secret services suck, but that is something most of us have to deal with. Before US, it was England, and way before England, it was Rome, and Egypt, and so on. Don't feel ashamed, it is just your historic turn.

I'll start with Sentrymans requirement for evidence on torture and murder during Pinochet times. I can add lovely details such as dead bodies attached to train rails dropped to the sea from an helicopter. Don't worry, that they don't learned that in the School of Americas, pure Chilean creativity.

Ok, you can start your search here, if you really want to know some facts of course, you can always just turn your head and look to the other side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rettig_Report
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valech_Report

Oh, and I was wrong, it was not 3,000 but only 2,279 killed and missing. We can attribute the 721 extra to KGB propaganda.
 
Cimerian.

Godwin's law. You Lose.

And you do realise that KGB active measures were actively saying that it was a Chilean holocaust?

And WRT SOA, What evidence do you have that it is a torture school? Perhaps they were messed up to begin with. It's more of a nature nurture thing.

Remember, the CIA were scanned more intensively during the church committee than any other period in their history. And i would rather take a police internal affairs report (the role of the Inspector general) rather than some online cranks who clearly show an axe to grind.

Ever considered that the CIA might be telling the truth here? The IG began an investigtion with all of the classified materials, interviewed every CIA case officer in Chile at the time and interviewed chilean government officials. they then brought their report to Congress who fact checked it and approved it for online publishing. Whereas with Thirdworldtraveler and other CT sites, they just publish whatever is in their warped conspiracy lense.
 
Cimerian said:
Guys, you are disappointing me.
You call yourself skeptics and you don't know the CIA sponsors most of the coup d'etat in the world? There is an old joke about that: Why is there no coups in the US? Answer: Because in the US there is no US embassy.
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An actual Skeptic would have actual evidence to back up that claim and not just rely on old jokes. Unless you really want us to believe Poland can produce some of the greatest scientific minds of all time and yet can't figure out lightbulbs.

Cimerian said:
And beside don't knowing that, your only argument is to make my statements look ridicule?
and blaming on KGB propaganda? Excuse me, but some of you sound just like Nazi apologists.
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You're conflating the issues of what happened after the coup and the coup itself. And what do Nazi's have to do with this?

Cimerian said:
Wake up dudes, I know it is hard to learn your government and secret services suck, but that is something most of us have to deal with. Before US, it was England, and way before England, it was Rome, and Egypt, and so on. Don't feel ashamed, it is just your historic turn.
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Perhaps you should wake up to the fact that the US Government is not the omnipotent tyrant you think it is. Don't feel ashamed, education is power.

Cimerian said:
I'll start with Sentrymans requirement for evidence on torture and murder during Pinochet times. I can add lovely details such as dead bodies attached to train rails dropped to the sea from an helicopter. Don't worry, that they don't learned that in the School of Americas, pure Chilean creativity.
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Nobody has said nothing bad happened. Lots of bad stuff happened after the coup. And dropping people from helicopters was not something only done in Chile it also happened in Argentina and Algeria.
 
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