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Our Useless Universe

The Uselessness of African Wildlife

Circa 1962:
It's a Sunday evening and we're watching Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom on the TV.
My grandmother declares that she doesn't understand why God created these creatures that are no good to eat.
 
What proportion of space is taken up by physical laws? My guess would be 0%
Does that make physical laws useless?

I've never understood this view that spatial proportions have anything at all to do with utility, value, meaning and the like.

A 600 pound guy is generally rather less than four times more useful around the house than a 150 pound guy. (For the pedants, yes they are of the same density in this example)


Spatial proportions are irrelevant. But positions and distances matter.

Or would you say a 150-pound guy who's in the house is no more useful around the house than a different 150-pound guy who's 200 million light years away?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Maybe no theory explains why there's so much "waste". If you define "waste" as anything far out of reach we couldn't ever use anyways...

Many of them will forever be lights in the sky and then we are all gone.
 
Uselessness must surely be a point of view. Were the universe to look at us, I'm sure it would consider us far more useless than we consider it. Yes, I know the universe is not conscious, but...

Well, as Dr. Manhattan states in "Watchmen":

"In my opinion, the existence of life is a highly overrated phenomenon."

The universe may be largely useless to US... but in the scheme of things, life on our planet may be far more useless than the rest of the universe.
 
But the total amounts of it in our universe are absurdly excessive. Which means that almost all of it -- the excepted fraction being almost too small to imagine -- is useless.

If the universe were smaller, we wouldn't be able to see back in time as far, which means we wouldn't be able to learn as much about the distant past. But times near the big bang are an excellent testing ground for the laws of physics (since the conditions then were so extreme), and we might learn something very very useful from studying them.

So all that "useless" space is a powerful - and potentially very useful - microscope.
 
Hui Tzu said to Chuang, "I have a big tree, the kind they call a "stinktree." The trunk is so distorted, so full of knots, no one can get a straight plank out of it. The branches are so crooked you cannot cut them up in any way that makes sense."
"There it stands beside the road. No carpenter will even look at it. Such is your teaching - big and useless."

Chuang Tzu replied, "Have you ever watched the wildcat crouching, watching his prey. The prey leaps this way, and that way, high and low, and at last lands in the trap. And have you seen the Yak? Great as a thundercloud, he stands in his might. Big? Sure, but he can't catch mice!"

"So for your big tree, no use? Then plant it in the wasteland, in emptiness. Walk idly around it, rest under its shadow. No axe or bill prepares its end. No one will ever cut it down."

"Useless? You should worry!"

Chang Tzu
 
:)
Spatial proportions are irrelevant. But positions and distances matter.

Or would you say a 150-pound guy who's in the house is no more useful around the house than a different 150-pound guy who's 200 million light years away?

Since neither of them will take out the trash or pick up his dirty clothes, I'd call them equivalent. :)
 
The universe is useful in that it is currently the only known place one can find pretty girls. :)
 
3 is usefull.
Earth moon sun and
three great galaxes and
neuron proton electon and
dark mater dark enegry dark sky and
3 neutrinos and
the three forces and
the three energys
all that univers is usefull because pwoer of 3 in ervywere in all 3 places and all 3 trimes
thank you for understanding this
 
Ah, yes, the power of three.

Check out the power of my three:

*zip*

*thud!* *donk!*





...*donk!*
 
Of course some portions of the universe are useful. I'm talking about the vast majority of it that, as far as we know, does not contain any pretty girls (or even if it did, they're too far away even to ogle), or even guys who will take out the trash.

The number 3 does indeed seem to be very useful (for instance, preventing The Count from always getting stuck at 2), but that doesn't make anything that happens to have the quantity 3 useful. For instance, there is no detectable difference in usefulness between 3 DecorEggers and 4 DecorEggers.

As for aliens finding other parts of the universe useful, that's all well and good -- but if all the aliens can manage to do is mutilate the occasional steer then they might turn out to be pretty useless themselves. (The whole abduction-and-anal-probing thing has some potential usefulness, but never seems to happen to the right people.)

I'm not sure if "revealing the characteristics of the universe" qualifies as being a useful characteristic of said universe. By that same logic, are Decoreggers useful because they teach us about how badly Decoreggers suck? There seems to be some circular (or possibly egg-shaped) reasoning there.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
You might as well start a thread called "Our Useless Oceans". We tend to use maybe the top twenty or thirty feet off the surface and no more... and the vast, vast majority of our oceans are unexplored and unused. And, my guess is, will largely remain unseen.
 
Our universe is an enormous farm for beings who find stars crunchy and tasty with ketchup.
 
Don't try to tell me a blue sock monkey hasn't tried deep-fried stars with ketchup.

Maybe you like catsup, however.
 
There are approximately 300 billion stars in our own galaxy. A handful of these might turn out to be within range of heroic future human efforts to reach them, via centuries-long one-way colony ship voyages. However, any ongoing process of leaping from star to star across our galaxy appears unlikely to ever be both worthwhile and feasible, unless the voyages are primarily undertaken by, and for, AI's. Furthermore, the same technologies that would be needed to make such voyages possible would also make arbitrarily large habitats within our own solar system possible too, at enormously less cost per person.

But let's say that contrary to all reasonable expectations, humanity manages to eventually explore and occupy a vast empire of a million star systems. That still leaves 299,999 million stars in our galaxy that will never be visited by humans and thus, as far as I and the rest of my species for the rest of time are concerned, are useless. That's a 99.7% uselessness rate, and as we look farther out, that figure only goes up from there.

The observable universe contains over 80 billion other galaxies. All of those are completely inaccessible -- as far as present day science can determine, permanently so. Forget generation ships, forget hibernation, even the AI's would evaporate in the time it would take to travel between galaxies by means of any known energy source. Even communication with another galaxy is impossible on any humanly comprehensible time scale. So, we can confidently characterize another 50 sextillion stars as so useless that they'd make tits on a bull seem like 29-accessory Swiss Army Knives by comparison.

According to the current prevailing inflationary cosmology mode, the entire universe may be 23 orders of magnitude larger still. That amounts to at least another 5 million billion billion sextillion stars that, being permanently outside our light cone, reach a degree of uselessness that is almost beyond conception.

And all those useless stars, orbited by countless useless planets, comets, and asteroids, occupy (to a trivially tiny extent barely deserving of the word) an immensely vast volume of even more useless empty space. Of course, not all empty space is useless. A minute fraction of it is good for some things like storing your Oort cloud in and keeping your planet far enough away from your star for comfort. But the total amounts of it in our universe are absurdly excessive. Which means that almost all of it -- the excepted fraction being almost too small to imagine -- is useless.

Thus we must conclude that pretty much the entire universe is profoundly useless. Indeed, there is probably no way for the human mind to truly grasp the extent of its uselessness. While cosmologists might someday be able calculate the uselessness of the universe (formally defined as the integral over all of space and time of the reciprocal of usefulness), the resulting figure will be so far outside our human experience of ordinary uselessness (which evolved to help us survive in a familiar world of ice sculptures, conspiracy theories, Chia Pets, Infomercials, Left Behind novels, and weekly staff meetings) as to be incomprehensible.

There are theories in cosmology and physics (and others in religion and philosophy) that attempt to explain various properties of the universe such as its size, its age, its curvature, and so forth. But is there any theory that can explain why it is so useless?

Respectfully,
Myriad

Well, before we start running abroad to distant galaxies, perhaps we should clean up home base.The ecosystem's in a bad state, which we need to sort out before we go running into other potential ecosystems. Maybe then the laws of physics will 'mutate' to allow speeds greater than the speed of light.

Put simply, I am suggesting a reason that we can't manage past the speed of light, and that's because some higher authority wants us to prove we won't just go blundering in to other ecosystems and destroying them. Admittedly, it's a bit far fetched.

My other, more likely line of reasoning is that we aren't supposed to go to other planets, because it isn't what nature had in mind.

Whatever the case may be, I am given the impression that the sheer difficulty of getting someone off of this planet alive has been done on purpose. Probably an error in my logic, mind.
 
Don't try to tell me a blue sock monkey hasn't tried deep-fried stars with ketchup.

Maybe you like catsup, however.

Worcestershire sauce puts me in a more philosophical mood than tomato catsup, I think. But I haven't taste-tested the concept yet.
 
Based on my limited knowledge, the current condition of the solar system is fragile. Move one planet, star, black hole, etc and everything could be different. If you subscribe to the belief that humans evolved from microorganisms, then any changes from the current, past or future order could wreak havoc for our very existence. Girls are cool too.
 
Based on my limited knowledge, the current condition of the solar system is fragile. Move one planet, star, black hole, etc and everything could be different. If you subscribe to the belief that humans evolved from microorganisms, then any changes from the current, past or future order could wreak havoc for our very existence. Girls are cool too.

This is a very good hypothesis indeed. If a star flaps its wings in the Whirlpool Galaxy....
 
If we had been supposed to take showers our armpits would not have been downwards.
 

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