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Our next unelected PM?

The Don said:
I didn't watch the debate (band practice) but caught up with it in the car on the 4 hour drive Oop North this morning. I thought Boris' comments with respect to the ambassador was utterly craven.



To infinity and beyond. The Tory rank and file have had a crush on Boris for a couple of decades now and now that the majority of MPs have swung behind him, I think he's unassailable for some significant period of time.

In the same way that the evangelical Christians view President Trump as a godly man (possibly in the mould of Saul) because he's delivering what they want, as long as Boris makes the right noises and attempts to deliver the "blue passports and potatoes by the pound" that the Conservative Members want, it's all fine.



I'm not sure whether he's a puppet, a fellow traveler or whether he's cannily managing and massaging President Trump's ego but whichever it is, it's unedifying :(
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Agreed.

I doubt Trump is an evangelical Christian as per his lack of biblical protocol at his inauguration.

Boris is definitely in Trump's pocket - as is Farage - and the link is Steve Bannon.

Boris didn't support the UK Ambassador Sir Kim Darroch and his excuse for not doing so is so obviously a blatant lie (concern for protecting civil servants from politics).
 
ponderingturtle said:
Why would he need to be? That is his modus operandi for years, he gloats in it being a real punch backer. His response is simply a given, so it isn't like you need to bother getting him in on it, you know exactly what he will do if this came out.
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I do believe there is a conspiracy - Russia - which drives Trump's machinations.

ETA : see this new thread here, about 'Putin and The European Trump'
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
No it doesn't. One of the reasons given for resigning was the apparent lack of support given by Boris.

Hunt comes out of it looking far better than Boris who today says he has the 'utmost respect' for the ambassador. Pity he didn't have any last night.
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Yesterday, Boris's line was that under him the UK would get it's Mojo back.

Seems he thinks Mojo means stitching up your countrymen for the benefit of foreign powers.
 
The Don said:
I didn't watch the debate (band practice) but caught up with it in the car on the 4 hour drive Oop North this morning. I thought Boris' comments with respect to the ambassador was utterly craven.



To infinity and beyond. The Tory rank and file have had a crush on Boris for a couple of decades now and now that the majority of MPs have swung behind him, I think he's unassailable for some significant period of time.

In the same way that the evangelical Christians view President Trump as a godly man (possibly in the mould of Saul) because he's delivering what they want, as long as Boris makes the right noises and attempts to deliver the "blue passports and potatoes by the pound" that the Conservative Members want, it's all fine.



I'm not sure whether he's a puppet, a fellow traveler or whether he's cannily managing and massaging President Trump's ego but whichever it is, it's unedifying :(
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I now see your total despair about politics now applys to the UK as well as the US.
Problem is despair always favors the other side.
 
The ambassador had to go once his emails/memos/telegrams/whatever had been leaked: Hunt was just too dim to realize that. Trying to blame Boris seems rather pathetic - the people who should be blamed are A) Trump - but good luck with that, and B) The leaker.

Why no blame on Hunt? He's the current Foreign Secretary, and it's presumably his department that's leaked the emails. I don't think the leak is his fault, of course, but arguably it's his responsibility.
 
Lothian said:
Yesterday, Boris's line was that under him the UK would get it's Mojo back.

Seems he thinks Mojo means stitching up your countrymen for the benefit of foreign powers.
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Question is which foreign power....THe USA or Russia, or both?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Johnson refused six times to back the Ambassador during the debate.
Hunt stood behind him and urged Trump to treat the UK with "respect" and said it was the prerogative of the UK government to choose its ambassadors
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Plays out beautifully for Boris with the resignation today.

Boris! Boris! Boris!

Just think what an amazing relationship you'll have with USA. Half-price schoolgirl hookers, Philip Morris Hospital, London, every policeman armed with a S&W...
 
Boris supporters warning May to keep out of next US Ambassador appointm.
It has to be left to Boris to choose apparently.
 
The ambassador's position was pretty much untenable as soon as the documents were leaked and I'm sure he knew that, with a better President the solution would have been for both sides to publically laugh it off while condemning the leak, the PM to back our diplomat and then for him to quietly resign with dignity down the road a little.

Trump's twitter tantrum spoiled that but made backing Darroch should still have been the governmental position, a good leader, at any level supports and takes responsibility for their staff in public, and deals with problems in private. There should have been a public show of support followed by accepting his resignation. The other acceptable answer in these particular circumstances would have been to voice support for Sir Kim while acknowledging that the criminal leaks had made it impossible for him to do his job. Boris did neither, he didn't even give the third, unacceptable answer, that he should go to appease Trump. He clumsily avoided the question. Boris didn't get it right, he waited for the situation to play out, then jumped on board.
 
ceptimus said:
The ambassador had to go once his emails/memos/telegrams/whatever had been leaked: Hunt was just too dim to realize that. Trying to blame Boris seems rather pathetic - the people who should be blamed are A) Trump - but good luck with that, and B) The leaker.

Why no blame on Hunt? He's the current Foreign Secretary, and it's presumably his department that's leaked the emails. I don't think the leak is his fault, of course, but arguably it's his responsibility.
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Why did he 'have to go'? It's his job to report back. Boris should have stuck up for him and his mealy mouthed weaselly explanation for not doing so shows what a mendacious scallywag he is.

You don't know it was someone in the Foreign Ofice who leaked it.
 
The Atheist said:
Plays out beautifully for Boris with the resignation today.

Boris! Boris! Boris!

Just think what an amazing relationship you'll have with USA. Half-price schoolgirl hookers, Philip Morris Hospital, London, every policeman armed with a S&W...
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...Two weeks holiday a year, zippo maternity or paternity leave, multi-thousand dollar healthcare bills or face bankruptcy, greater riches but a higher state of constant anxiety.
 
Vixen said:
I do believe there is a conspiracy - Russia - which drives Trump's machinations.

ETA : see this new thread here, about 'Putin and The European Trump'
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Oh sure there was likely a conspiracy to release the communications, but why on earth you would include Trump in something like that? His reactions are a given, and he isn't exactly good at not saying the things that totally undermine his position. All liability and no advantage to this.

Trump loves to feud and it doesn't matter if the individual is a movie star or the UK ambassador. His reactions are a given.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Oh sure there was likely a conspiracy to release the communications, but why on earth you would include Trump in something like that? His reactions are a given, and he isn't exactly good at not saying the things that totally undermine his position. All liability and no advantage to this.

Trump loves to feud and it doesn't matter if the individual is a movie star or the UK ambassador. His reactions are a given.
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I reckon this time it was all carefully scripted and faked to bring about a non-independent ambassador as machinated by the dark forces.
 
What happened to voting leave to take back control?.
We need to put these jumpity upstarts in their place. Who do they think they are telling us who our ambassador should be?

Not only should we pick Boy George, Nigella Lawson or some other person banned from America as our new Ambassador we should take a trick out of Trump's book and move our Embassy*. I suggest Jamestown to reflect the time when America was great. When we owned it.






*Jerusalem
 
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