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Our next unelected PM?

Tolls said:
He needs more than a majority of Tories, though.
Indeed, he needs almost all of the Tory MPs to support him (at least pay lip service). Only he can hardly be called a unifying character.
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True, but at any point in time any Conservative leader will have a significant minority of the party against them.

2/3 actual support combined with the party whip for the remaining 1/3 may be sufficient to block any attempts by the opposition to delay, derail or even stop Brexit.
 
But he doesn't have a majority (or the barest thread of one with the DUP) at all. That "significant minority" is normally dwarfed by the majority they hold in Parliament.

Major had an easier time of things for crying out loud, even at the end, and he was at least semi-competent. Johnson is a hopeless hack in comparison.

Hunt is more of a concern.
 
I hope someone in the debate asks Boris if he supports the Ambassador to the USA or if he agrees with Trump's comments.
 
The ******* state of politics in this country when the favourite to be the next PM is behaving like an twatty teenager on live television to applause from a room full of *****.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
The ******* state of politics in this country when the favourite to be the next PM is behaving like an twatty teenager on live television to applause from a room full of *****.
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As a Citizen to the US all I can day is:

Welcome to the club.
 
Johnson refused six times to back the Ambassador during the debate.
Hunt stood behind him and urged Trump to treat the UK with "respect" and said it was the prerogative of the UK government to choose its ambassadors
 
Some claim that the source of the leak were backers of Boris and Farage, seeking to undermine the Brexit process, hence the brutal attack on Theresa May by Trump, who is supposedly in on it, his outburst being well-scripted and not the toys out of pram petulance he is trying to convey.

Well, somebody leaked it. The early criminologists - who were Italian - suggested asking the simple question, Cui bono? = 'To whom is it a benefit?'

The answer would be...Boris, Farage and Trump as they get to install an ambassador who is pro Trump, pro Boris /or Nigel, pro-Brexit and pro-Putin.
 
I am beginning to wonder how long Boris would last as PM is he is elected party leader. I really doubt he could survive as long as May could. I think a few months of his subserveance to Trump would be enough to cause a huge revolt within Parliament that he could not survive because too many COnservatives would not back him.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Johnson refused six times to back the Ambassador during the debate.
Hunt stood behind him and urged Trump to treat the UK with "respect" and said it was the prerogative of the UK government to choose its ambassadors
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Boris is a Trump puppet. Period, end of story.

Sad thing is that Labor's leadership is only marginally better.IMHO the picking of Corbyn as party leader might have cost Labor a majority.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Johnson refused six times to back the Ambassador during the debate.
Hunt stood behind him and urged Trump to treat the UK with "respect" and said it was the prerogative of the UK government to choose its ambassadors
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I didn't watch the debate (band practice) but caught up with it in the car on the 4 hour drive Oop North this morning. I thought Boris' comments with respect to the ambassador was utterly craven.

dudalb said:
I am beginning to wonder how long Boris would last as PM is he is elected party leader. I really doubt he could survive as long as May could. I think a few months of his subserveance to Trump would be enough to cause a huge revolt within Parliament that he could not survive because too many COnservatives would not back him.
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To infinity and beyond. The Tory rank and file have had a crush on Boris for a couple of decades now and now that the majority of MPs have swung behind him, I think he's unassailable for some significant period of time.

In the same way that the evangelical Christians view President Trump as a godly man (possibly in the mould of Saul) because he's delivering what they want, as long as Boris makes the right noises and attempts to deliver the "blue passports and potatoes by the pound" that the Conservative Members want, it's all fine.

dudalb said:
Boris is a Trump puppet. Period, end of story.

Sad thing is that Labor's leadership is only marginally better.IMHO the picking of Corbyn as party leader might have cost Labor a majority.
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I'm not sure whether he's a puppet, a fellow traveler or whether he's cannily managing and massaging President Trump's ego but whichever it is, it's unedifying :(
 
Vixen said:
Some claim that the source of the leak were backers of Boris and Farage, seeking to undermine the Brexit process, hence the brutal attack on Theresa May by Trump, who is supposedly in on it, his outburst being well-scripted and not the toys out of pram petulance he is trying to convey.
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Why would he need to be? That is his modus operandi for years, he gloats in it being a real punch backer. His response is simply a given, so it isn't like you need to bother getting him in on it, you know exactly what he will do if this came out.
 
dudalb said:
I am beginning to wonder how long Boris would last as PM is he is elected party leader. I really doubt he could survive as long as May could. I think a few months of his subserveance to Trump would be enough to cause a huge revolt within Parliament that he could not survive because too many COnservatives would not back him.
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He will play the same rule as Trump and do it well. Give his backers tax cuts and a free hand to do business any way they like it while making the rubes feel like that actually get something out of this deal. That is why Lynton Crosby is the brains behind all this. His small target campaign strategy is a proven winner.
 
The Ambassador has resigned now anyway. Makes Hunt's stance of defending him to the last look stupid, and Boris's comment about not being presumptuous seem prescient.
 
ceptimus said:
The Ambassador has resigned now anyway. Makes Hunt's stance of defending him to the last look stupid, and Boris's comment about not being presumptuous seem prescient.
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Vote for Boris he will never stand behind anyone for doing their job if a foreign leader objects. He will stab anyone in the back for Trump!
 
ceptimus said:
The Ambassador has resigned now anyway. Makes Hunt's stance of defending him to the last look stupid, and Boris's comment about not being presumptuous seem prescient.
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No it doesn't. One of the reasons given for resigning was the apparent lack of support given by Boris.

Hunt comes out of it looking far better than Boris who today says he has the 'utmost respect' for the ambassador. Pity he didn't have any last night.
 
Meanwhile, I'm reading that Boris could be quite literally unelected if he calls a GE before Brexit. In that case the Cons could leak enough votes to Farage's mob that Boris could lose his seat.

That would be funny :) I wonder if it will colour his decision making on whether or not to call a GE?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
No it doesn't. One of the reasons given for resigning was the apparent lack of support given by Boris.

Hunt comes out of it looking far better than Boris who today says he has the 'utmost respect' for the ambassador. Pity he didn't have any last night.
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What a great way to take back sovereignty, allow foreign leaders to tell us whether our ambassadors should keep their posts :rolleyes:
 
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