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Our next unelected PM?

One person I did not mention in my last 2 posts, and who I actually forgot about, is Nigel Farage!

People did not like Mrs May and wanted to get her out, but only to find that we might now get a far worse PM in Boris. But if we do find ourselves with a General Election, I had forgotten that it's by no means impossible that we could end up with Nigel Farage as PM!! …

… that would imho be an even worse disaster than the US produced with Donald Trump. It would take the UK much further to the right than at any time in living history, and at least as far to the right as Marine Le Pen in France.

Potentially very dangerous times for the UK, and maybe even for the whole of Europe.
 
IanS said:
But if we do find ourselves with a General Election, I had forgotten that it's by no means impossible that we could end up with Nigel Farage as PM!! …
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Yes please!

We're desperate for good workers in NZ, and Farage would produce a barrage of them looking to move away from UK.

We'll take the Scots & Welsh. Aussie can have the Pommies.
 
IanS said:
One person I did not mention in my last 2 posts, and who I actually forgot about, is Nigel Farage!



People did not like Mrs May and wanted to get her out, but only to find that we might now get a far worse PM in Boris. But if we do find ourselves with a General Election, I had forgotten that it's by no means impossible that we could end up with Nigel Farage as PM!! …



… that would imho be an even worse disaster than the US produced with Donald Trump. It would take the UK much further to the right than at any time in living history, and at least as far to the right as Marine Le Pen in France.



Potentially very dangerous times for the UK, and maybe even for the whole of Europe.
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My impression is that Farage has no interest in doing actual work, only creating it for others.
 
a_unique_person said:
My impression is that Farage has no interest in doing actual work, only creating it for others.
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Yes, but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't like to hold the post of Prime Minister or one of the major ministries - he could then create work for others by announcing all kinds of grandiose plans, leaving the "details" for others to sort out.

He would absolutely not want to be a junior minister who actually has to do some work and who will be held accountable.

If the Brexit Party is successful electorally then we'll end up with a large number of cabinet members with absolutely no relevant experience at all - quite a frightening prospect - and a disinclination to seek out or listen to experts (be they subject matter experts or the Sir Humphreys in the department) or worse an inclination to actively reject them. This could lead to absolute havoc as they attempt to implement all kinds of nonsense :(
 
The Don said:
Yes, but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't like to hold the post of Prime Minister or one of the major ministries - he could then create work for others by announcing all kinds of grandiose plans, leaving the "details" for others to sort out.

He would absolutely not want to be a junior minister who actually has to do some work and who will be held accountable.

If the Brexit Party is successful electorally then we'll end up with a large number of cabinet members with absolutely no relevant experience at all - quite a frightening prospect - and a disinclination to seek out or listen to experts (be they subject matter experts or the Sir Humphreys in the department) or worse an inclination to actively reject them. This could lead to absolute havoc as they attempt to implement all kinds of nonsense :(
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We're having to seriously discuss the possibility of the balance of power being held by a 'Party' with no members, no manifesto, no rulebook, no way of challenging or replacing the leader, no public input on MP selection or deselection, deliberately opaque and highly suspect funding and MPs drawn from the worst of British politics and most self serving of British business.

This is really frightening.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
We're having to seriously discuss the possibility of the balance of power being held by a 'Party' with no members, no manifesto, no rulebook, no way of challenging or replacing the leader, no public input on MP selection or deselection, deliberately opaque and highly suspect funding and MPs drawn from the worst of British politics and most self serving of British business.

This is really frightening.
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Agreed. This is where the US and Australia (and probably others) with only two alternative governments and with neither radical and liable to royally **** things up have the better political system.
 
Seriously.
Daft as many people in this country are, we won't be getting Farage as PM.
 
Tolls said:
Seriously.
Daft as many people in this country are, we won't be getting Farage as PM.
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Who knows. Trump, Boris and even Morrison shows that incompetent idiots can get the top job.

But I think (and hope) you are correct.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
Its more that political correctness has failed to stop someone like Boris from taking office. The fact that people constantly complained about it shows that it was merely lip service.
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What is this rant supposed to mean?
 
Francesca R said:
Somebody reversed a car (probably not theirs) into his front railings when he lived near me (Colebrooke Row Islington) several years ago. He was mayor at the time. I felt considerable sympathy when I saw it and I rated him quite highly at the time (and voted for him twice which are my only two Tory votes). Once or twice I saw him jogging on the nearby Regents Canal and he said hello.

It's a different Boris now though
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In my opinion, there are far too many posts and comments made everywhere at the moment about 'Tory voters'. Well, I'm one of them and the comments don't apply to me! I vote conservative and have been a member of the Party for a long time. We have a good MP locally. All MPs make mistakes - they are, after all, human beings - but as far as I'm concerned, they are stil the least worst.


I have, therefore, a vote. I haven't really liked any of the candidates - I have been a remainer from day one anyway, but I shall vote for Jeremy Hunt because he is NOT Boris. I shall not abstain because I shall want to see the numbers for each candidate later on.


Yesterday I had an e-mail from the Leadership Dept and the subject was: Confirm your attendance at the south central hustings.
I opened it and the content was about the first ballot to reduce the number of MPs wanting to be PM to two. I rang the secretary at the local office and apparently this hustings is tomorrow at The Pavilion in Bournemouth. She said she would see if there was anyone who could take me.

I rang Central Office > Leadership Dept |> hustings dept and told them how inefficient their e-mails are, but insisted they check whether my name was on the list of people to be there. It was, but much as I'd like to go, I'm going to have to stay away because:
- if it is in The Pavilion, they must be expecting a large crowd
-there will be too many hazards for me,even if I had someone guiding me
the person guiding me will not know my difficulties well
it will be dark - for me - inside the theatre and on the way home
etc

I can't see any way I can do it.


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a_unique_person said:
My impression is that Farage has no interest in doing actual work, only creating it for others.
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I don't have any clear idea of what Farage would do if his Brexit party did win a GE in Britain, i.e. whether he'd actually step down as head of that Party and let another of it's MP's take over as PM.

But many people who have worked with Boris Johnson, both within the Conservative party and before that when Boris was editor of the Spectator, say Boris's method of doing a job is not to do it himself but instead to appoint other people to do it for him. Also, whilst I'm bing unkind/unfair to Boris - I don't know how many people have checked his actual name, but its rather showy/flamboyant in parts, i.e. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson :eye-poppi.
 
lionking said:
Who knows. Trump, Boris and even Morrison shows that incompetent idiots can get the top job.

But I think (and hope) you are correct.
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Those three all came in (assuming Boris wins) through a major party.
The Faragists have no party infrastructure at the moment.

A general election is a different beast to an EU election.

They need a manifesto for starters.
 
lionking said:
The really, really sad thing is that Corbyn would be an even more disgraceful, embarrassing and incompetent PM. The UK is ****** either way.
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So says an Australian? It seems all of Corbyn's knockers are not even Labour party members or voters.

The Tory press says Jeremy will be a catastrophe for the country, so it must be right...
 
IanS said:
One person I did not mention in my last 2 posts, and who I actually forgot about, is Nigel Farage!

People did not like Mrs May and wanted to get her out, but only to find that we might now get a far worse PM in Boris. But if we do find ourselves with a General Election, I had forgotten that it's by no means impossible that we could end up with Nigel Farage as PM!! …

… that would imho be an even worse disaster than the US produced with Donald Trump. It would take the UK much further to the right than at any time in living history, and at least as far to the right as Marine Le Pen in France.

Potentially very dangerous times for the UK, and maybe even for the whole of Europe.
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Simply won't happen. Next time around, the EU citizens will get to cast their votes.
 
Vixen said:
So says an Australian? It seems all of Corbyn's knockers are not even Labour party members or voters.

The Tory press says Jeremy will be a catastrophe for the country, so it must be right...
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Me being an Australian means what? You are welcome to comment about Australian politics....
 
SusanB-M1 said:
In my opinion, there are far too many posts and comments made everywhere at the moment about 'Tory voters'. Well, I'm one of them and the comments don't apply to me! I vote conservative and have been a member of the Party for a long time. We have a good MP locally. All MPs make mistakes - they are, after all, human beings - but as far as I'm concerned, they are stil the least worst.


I have, therefore, a vote. I haven't really liked any of the candidates - I have been a remainer from day one anyway, but I shall vote for Jeremy Hunt because he is NOT Boris. I shall not abstain because I shall want to see the numbers for each candidate later on.


Yesterday I had an e-mail from the Leadership Dept and the subject was: Confirm your attendance at the south central hustings.
I opened it and the content was about the first ballot to reduce the number of MPs wanting to be PM to two. I rang the secretary at the local office and apparently this hustings is tomorrow at The Pavilion in Bournemouth. She said she would see if there was anyone who could take me.

I rang Central Office > Leadership Dept |> hustings dept and told them how inefficient their e-mails are, but insisted they check whether my name was on the list of people to be there. It was, but much as I'd like to go, I'm going to have to stay away because:
- if it is in The Pavilion, they must be expecting a large crowd
-there will be too many hazards for me,even if I had someone guiding me
the person guiding me will not know my difficulties well
it will be dark - for me - inside the theatre and on the way home
etc

I can't see any way I can do it.


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SusanB, do you agree with what Jeremy Hunt apparently said today in a radio interview that he agreed with a phone-in listener who claimed 'the EU have shown complete disrespect to the UK?'


I thought Donald Tusk in particular has been infinitely patience in dealing with the UK.

I like Hunt's 'family values' ethos but I am not sure I agree with him here.
 
Vixen said:
So says an Australian? It seems all of Corbyn's knockers are not even Labour party members or voters.

The Tory press says Jeremy will be a catastrophe for the country, so it must be right...
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I'm an ex-Labour Party member (close to 25 years membership) and so far have voted in every general election I've been eligible to vote in and have voted for Labour every time.

I think that Jeremy Corbyn has been a dreadful leader of the opposition and would be a very poor Prime Minister. My main criticisms of him are:

  • His political opinions and policies are horribly outdated and hark back to the issues of the 1970s, not the current day
  • He is a man of principle which in turn means that it is difficult for him to compromise or generate a consensus within a party as broad as the Labour Party
  • He has a long history of voting against the party, which makes it difficult for him to insist on loyalty in turn
  • His views and past actions are too easy to lampoon by the right wing press and he makes it too simple to portray him as a monster in waiting
  • By being a Brexit supporter, he is actively working against the interests of those he purports to serve

A friend (lifelong Labour voter who has recently left the party) has said that his daughter has also left the Labour party specifically because of Jeremy Corbyn's lack of leadership and views on Brexit.

Not all criticism of Jeremy Corbyn comes from the right wing press.
 
Vixen said:
Simply won't happen. Next time around, the EU citizens will get to cast their votes.
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EU citizens in general are not eligible to vote in UK General Elections. IanS was talking about who would become the next prime minister following a General Election. The exceptions are Irish, Cyprus or Malta citizens who are UK residents.
 
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