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Oscar Pistorius shoots girlfriend - Part 2

I hope the international ghouls will be sated some day.
This guy started off the pace, got up to speed, and got confounded by a bunch of unusual circumstances, not the least of which is paranoia fueled by a cultural clash designed by fate. Uber civilised Dutch meet the savages.
How ironic that the savage understood the complexity, and that the quality of mercy is not strained.
 
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I hope the international ghouls will be sated some day.
This guy started off the pace, got up to speed, and got confounded by a bunch of unusual circumstances, not the least of which is paranoia fueled by a cultural clash designed by fate. Uber civilised Dutch meet the savages.
How ironic that the savage understood the irony, and that the quality of mercy is not strained.
Me no understandy posty

Probably me just being a bit thick

You sticking up for him?
 
I hope the international ghouls will be sated some day.
This guy started off the pace, got up to speed, and got confounded by a bunch of unusual circumstances, not the least of which is paranoia fueled by a cultural clash designed by fate. Uber civilised Dutch meet the savages.
How ironic that the savage understood the complexity, and that the quality of mercy is not strained.

The dickhead can't even work out out how to suicide properly. Ironic considering how effectively he killed Reeva.

Wake up to yourself Samson. Your hero is a murderer. By definition. Get over it.
 
Me no understandy posty

Probably me just being a bit thick

You sticking up for him?

The dickhead can't even work out out how to suicide properly. Ironic considering how effectively he killed Reeva.

Wake up to yourself Samson. Your hero is a murderer. By definition. Get over it.
I have no expectation to carry the forum with me on this subject.
Yet I play lay psychologist in saying he truly regrets accidentally killing Reeva and wishes to join her in the next life. He is one tormented unit.
 
I hope the international ghouls will be sated some day.
This guy started off the pace, got up to speed, and got confounded by a bunch of unusual circumstances, not the least of which is paranoia fueled by a cultural clash designed by fate. Uber civilised Dutch meet the savages.
How ironic that the savage understood the complexity, and that the quality of mercy is not strained.
Pistorius flew into a rage and brutally murdered his girlfriend. When he calmed down enough to realize the potential consequences in store, he pulled together some contrived nonsense about a bathroom-invader, and hoped his celebrity status would sell the story. It almost worked, but not quite. Now he's in prison for murdering an innocent human being, which is entirely appropriate.
 
I have no expectation to carry the forum with me on this subject.
Not even with your undeniable "argument" that the victim's level of hotness proves she was killed accidently? These damn peasants just won't listen to reason.

Yet I play lay psychologist in saying he truly regrets accidentally killing Reeva and wishes to join her in the next life. He is one tormented unit.
He truly regrets having been caught and successively prosecuted for a murder he committed.
 
Pistorius flew into a rage and brutally murdered his girlfriend. When he calmed down enough to realize the potential consequences in store, he pulled together some contrived nonsense about a bathroom-invader, and hoped his celebrity status would sell the story. It almost worked, but not quite. Now he's in prison for murdering an innocent human being, which is entirely appropriate.

I'd call that post 100% correct. It fits with all the known facts, right from his weird duality as a cripple with privilege, through his known tendency to have rages and use guns. The final nail was his chick talking to a two-legged rugby player.

I bet that guy still blesses his luck that Pistorius was such a nutter that he shot Reeva and didn't come after him instead.

And how utterly typical that he'd make such an obvious ploy as "trying to slit his wrists". I'd be going with "Made an attempt to make it look like he'd tried to commit suicide."

Still the spoiled brat - they should really let his mummy stay with him.
 
I'd call that post 100% correct. It fits with all the known facts, right from his weird duality as a cripple with privilege, through his known tendency to have rages and use guns. The final nail was his chick talking to a two-legged rugby player.

I bet that guy still blesses his luck that Pistorius was such a nutter that he shot Reeva and didn't come after him instead.

And how utterly typical that he'd make such an obvious ploy as "trying to slit his wrists". I'd be going with "Made an attempt to make it look like he'd tried to commit suicide."

Still the spoiled brat - they should really let his mummy stay with him.


I agree in principle with most of the above, but I'm still uncomfortable and disappointed at the level of scornful vindictiveness demonstrated on this thread (but not in the post above that I'm answering....).

IMO there's more than sufficient proof BARD that Pistorius committed murder. I also personally think (in accordance with many others here and in the media etc) that by far the most likely scenario is that Pistorius knew it was Steenkamp in the toilet, and that he shot at her in a blind, jealous rage (probably after she either said she was leaving him and/or said she was calling the authorities to report his verbal and physical abuse to her that night). So I think it's wholly proper and just that he is in prison, and I think his prison sentence ought to be a huge amount longer than the time Masipa gave him.

I also agree that it's certainly a distinct possibility, and in keeping with other known personality traits of the man, that Pistorius might have been slashing his wrists in a cynical attempt to influence the appeal court and any potential revision of his sentence. But at the same time, it's certainly possible that it was a call for help of a deeply disturbed man, or that it was a genuine but incompetent attempt at suicide. All of which means I think it's highly inappropriate and distasteful (not to mention unsceptical....) to be making the sorts of comments that have appeared in this thread today about this apparent incident. And I have to say that IMO the overall law-and-order nastiness and emotive language used here by a couple of posters in particular is unworthy and unpleasant to read.
 
I agree strongly with London John and would add that I don't consider that vindictiveness should have any hold in the legal system.

My bog thing is that I want a system where he just never does it again. I think he should be required to have counseling on what he did and how to control his anger at least.
 
I agree strongly with London John and would add that I don't consider that vindictiveness should have any hold in the legal system.

My bog thing is that I want a system where he just never does it again. I think he should be required to have counseling on what he did and how to control his anger at least.
I still think it was probably roid rage
 
Whatever his reasoning does not mean that we should not try to consider the situation dispassionately.


Yes. And again, yes, steroid abuse might well have been a factor in what happened (but if it was, Pistorius is still responsible for what he puts into his body and the known potential side effects).

To be clear: given that I believe Pistorius was correctly found guilty of murder, and given his other convictions, undisputed evidence of certain aspects of his personality, and the way he has acted and behaved since about one minute after Steenkamp's death.... I conclude that Pistorius acted despicably and with disgusting arrogance and sense of entitlement. And I would think - and hope - that he has now abdicated any claim to be a role model, and that no sponsor or public figure would want to associate with him. I believe he probably has/had a deeply unpleasant, narcissistic character disorder and massive control issues around women. And, as I said, I believe he most likely killed Steenkamp, knowingly, in a vicious rage after commencing a verbal and physical assault in the bedroom.

But........... the criminal justice system and the penal system exists in modern democratic liberal societies to try to address these sorts of issues in the best (or least-worst) fashion. People who are proven to have committed crimes such as Pistorius' deserve to be treated harshly by the criminal justice and penal systems. He ought to be removed from the general population by being imprisoned for many years (IMO no fewer than 10, given the gravity of the offence - and by that I mean 10 years actually served in prison, rather than a sentence of 10 years' imprisonment). This serves multiple purposes: it is direct punishment for the offender; it allows society to consider itself at no risk from the offender while in prison (and, if carefully monitored, even beyond release from prison); it serves as a tangible form of justice for the victim and the victim's family; it acts as a deterrent to others; and - lastly but importantly - it offers the prospect of reflection, learning and rehabilitation to the offender.

In this particular case, I would like to think that Pistorius will receive an amended sentence which means that he will spend at least 10 years in prison. I would hope that within this time of incarceration, Pistorius will (sooner or later) come round to honest self-analysis and realisation. And I hope that the tools and people will be available to him in prison to better himself and rehabilitate himself mentally, in preparation for a physical rehabilitation into society (albeit under careful monitoring). If Pistorius remains in denial or continues to try to game the system, then I would hope that those who run the system will take steps to ensure that he remains behind bars for longer. And I hope that Steenkamp's family will come to some sort of peace that everything that can/should be being done IS being done to serve justice - that's justice as it's defined in a modern liberalised democratic context, rather than mob rule, eye-for-an-eye and so on.

By the way, is it actually known with any degree of confidence that Pistorius did indeed cut his own wrists? Or is it still little more than unconfirmed rumour? I know the prison service put out a statement, but IIRC that only referred to him "falling out of bed" or something. Has that now been revised?
 
Yes. And again, yes, steroid abuse might well have been a factor in what happened (but if it was, Pistorius is still responsible for what he puts into his body and the known potential side effects).

To be clear: given that I believe Pistorius was correctly found guilty of murder, and given his other convictions, undisputed evidence of certain aspects of his personality, and the way he has acted and behaved since about one minute after Steenkamp's death.... I conclude that Pistorius acted despicably and with disgusting arrogance and sense of entitlement. And I would think - and hope - that he has now abdicated any claim to be a role model, and that no sponsor or public figure would want to associate with him. I believe he probably has/had a deeply unpleasant, narcissistic character disorder and massive control issues around women. And, as I said, I believe he most likely killed Steenkamp, knowingly, in a vicious rage after commencing a verbal and physical assault in the bedroom.

But........... the criminal justice system and the penal system exists in modern democratic liberal societies to try to address these sorts of issues in the best (or least-worst) fashion. People who are proven to have committed crimes such as Pistorius' deserve to be treated harshly by the criminal justice and penal systems. He ought to be removed from the general population by being imprisoned for many years (IMO no fewer than 10, given the gravity of the offence - and by that I mean 10 years actually served in prison, rather than a sentence of 10 years' imprisonment). This serves multiple purposes: it is direct punishment for the offender; it allows society to consider itself at no risk from the offender while in prison (and, if carefully monitored, even beyond release from prison); it serves as a tangible form of justice for the victim and the victim's family; it acts as a deterrent to others; and - lastly but importantly - it offers the prospect of reflection, learning and rehabilitation to the offender.

In this particular case, I would like to think that Pistorius will receive an amended sentence which means that he will spend at least 10 years in prison. I would hope that within this time of incarceration, Pistorius will (sooner or later) come round to honest self-analysis and realisation. And I hope that the tools and people will be available to him in prison to better himself and rehabilitate himself mentally, in preparation for a physical rehabilitation into society (albeit under careful monitoring). If Pistorius remains in denial or continues to try to game the system, then I would hope that those who run the system will take steps to ensure that he remains behind bars for longer. And I hope that Steenkamp's family will come to some sort of peace that everything that can/should be being done IS being done to serve justice - that's justice as it's defined in a modern liberalised democratic context, rather than mob rule, eye-for-an-eye and so on.

By the way, is it actually known with any degree of confidence that Pistorius did indeed cut his own wrists? Or is it still little more than unconfirmed rumour? I know the prison service put out a statement, but IIRC that only referred to him "falling out of bed" or something. Has that now been revised?
I'm a firm believer in murder cases of adding about 5 to that for lying.

It would send a proper message
 
Oscar's been put on suicide watch. Despite his brother denying that Oscar's injuries to his wrists earlier this month came from an attempted suicide, it looks like there may be more to the story.

Former Paralympic athlete Oscar Pistorius has been placed on a suicide watch list after he was rushed to hospital earlier in August with injuries to his wrists. Pistorius is serving a six-year-long sentence for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, who was shot dead at Pistorius' home in South Africa on 14 February 2013.

Pistorius denied he had tried to kill himself and his family insisted he had sustained the injuries after falling. His brother Carl also denied reports of self-harm, saying the former athlete was "in good spirit".

"Pistorius has told authorities that he was on his stumps in his cell on Friday night when he slipped in water on the floor and sustained cuts and bruises from broken coffee mugs," according to eNews Channel Africa. He was also said to have several other injuries including facial bruising.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/south-afri...ming-nurses-gave-him-toxic-medication-1575978

BTW, when Carl visited Oscar after the accident he brought along Jenna "babyshoes" Edkins, Oscar's former girlfriend who he stayed in contact with and had actually called on his way home to meet Reeva the evening before the murder.

In one of Reeva's texts to Oscar she complained of his ongoing relationship with Edkins (who was listed in Oscar's cell phone contacts as "babyshoes") because he had a collage of photos of the two hanging in his house along with bunny-themed tchotchkes that had meaning to them.
 
And it gets weirder:

Oscar Pistorius has reportedly laid a complaint of attempted murder with prison authorities against nurses who he allegedly believes are trying to kill him.

The City Press on Sunday reported that three senior prison officials had confirmed that the complaint was laid three weeks ago.

Pistorius allegedly said that three prison nurses at Kgosi Mampuru II Prison‚ in Pretoria‚ were trying to kill him with “toxic” medication‚ according to the report.

Pistorius was apparently placed on suicide watch this week‚ the report said‚ after sustaining injuries to his wrists in prison.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2016/08/14/Are-prison-nurses-trying-to-kill-Oscar-Pistorius
 

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