thaiboxerken
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The Republicans.
Merged Osama bin Laden dead,
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The Republicans.
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JJM 777
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The wreckage would have been evidence to document the actual mechanism of the collapse in detail, but what happened to this evidence is "vague", it was thrown away undocumented, and the actual mechanism of collapse was explained years later, with neither the physical evidence nor much documentation thereof at hand. So the evidence is vague, and the given explanation forever remains as a theory only, not a proven fact.
Pointing out the fact that evidence is insufficient is skepticism.
Everyone must believe in some source for telling the truth. I would trust a randomly picked group of scientists. Something of international interest happens (it could be anything, for example a closed court case to give death penalty to someone). Send one UN monitor there, hand-picked by a western government: I won´t necessarily trust that his report is the unbiased and honest truth. Make a pool of thousands of scientists from all countries, and randomly pick 10 of them to each independently study the case and report their findings, then I would choose to believe in factual correctness of their findings.
In this case, if these random 10 scientists had done the DNA test, I would choose to believe their report about the identity of the corpse that was thrown to sea. One unnamed person reportedly "making the test and getting such-and-such results" is equal to anecdotal evidence. What is the statistical probability of a US army officer telling what he is told to tell the media, rather than telling the full truth about a combat mission? Quite high.
And yet you don't trust the thousands of scientists who support the official story of 9/11.
Verde
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I agree. There was so much that could have gone wrong, {or did, eg. one failed chopper} that for these guys to go in and get the job done with no losses was a great achievement. No matter how much training went on beforehand, I doubt anyone really knew what they would face.
The term 'hero' is bandied about so much nowadays that it seems to have lost it's meaning. This team is certainly worthy of that designation. I think it is a pity that we will likely never know who they are.
V.
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English to Hindi translation, for clarity:
विनाशकारी संस्थाओं जैसे भाग्य मिल सकती है. परमाणु preferances, और अधिक हानिकारक हथियार और उपकरण, intiating और हितों, घमंडी श्रेष्ठता परिसरों निहित, विनाशकारी उपकरण बनाने, असाम्यता और असंतुलन बनाने के लिए संघर्ष करता है जोड़ तोड़ (प्रकृति असंतुलन आदि) या विषम otherse भी destructing संस्थाओं एवं उपकरण के रूप में माना जा सकता, जब तक "प्रकृति ही शेष 'के कारण पिछले ज्यादतियों / बाधाओं के लिए अपने रास्ते पर है.
Just in case anyone was wondering what his post was alluding to.
Hope that helps.
V.
It is not correct.
Then why not quote it and give a link rather than apparently posting it as your own comment?
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Given who he was, I personally wouldn't be surprised if the other people there threw themselves in front of him to protect him. If someone tried to assassinate Obama, but took out a USSS agent instead, would that mean Obama was using human shields?
Susheel
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Sorry Kumar. But that is the closest that one can get to what you are trying to say. You translated from Hindi to English for your post and a re-translation of that is bound to be a little bit "off" from the original that you intended.
Anyhoo, we have a rough idea of what you are trying to say, now tell us how this is related to the death of Osama. You are touting the back to nature ideal that the elite in India love and strangely enough is fuelled by new age followers in the west. Technology like everything else can be used for good and bad, commercial enterprises too have both sides. The thing is we have a choice.
Now, how is this related to the topic at hand?
Anyhoo, we have a rough idea of what you are trying to say, now tell us how this is related to the death of Osama. You are touting the back to nature ideal that the elite in India love and strangely enough is fuelled by new age followers in the west. Technology like everything else can be used for good and bad, commercial enterprises too have both sides. The thing is we have a choice.
Now, how is this related to the topic at hand?
Then why do you think trotting out contentious Youtubes claiming the Israeli army did this should be any more believable?
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Did they catch him in the act with the misses? No wonder he refused to give himself up.
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Would you trust a thousand American scientists telling what my shoe size probably is, who have not actually seen and measured my shoes?
If evidence does not exist, then scientific truths don´t exist either, just a neutral list of possibilities and probabilities. The problem is that some refuse to acknowledge this, and insist that the truth is known, and some of the possible alternatives are certainly true and some of the possible alternatives are certainly not true, even in the absence of evidence that would prove these assertions. That is not a skeptical standpoint.
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This is The End
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Bolding mine.
Even if there is zero scientific evidence, that does not mean that all possibilities are neutral; if by neutral you mean the same, or average.
For instance, I know your shoe size could be around 10 or so, but it could not be around 100.
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*ahem*
Tower Wreckage Reveals Clues
JERSEY CITY, New Jersey -- In a scrap yard across the Hudson River from the fallen twin towers, engineering professor Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl pores over the 1,500 tons of twisted, charred steel arriving here each day from the remains of the World Trade Center like an archaeologist, like a coroner.
The University of California at Berkeley professor unveiled new details about the skyscrapers' cause of death Friday, displaying for the first time beams hit by one of the jets that ultimately brought down the towers, as well as scraps from the plane itself.
Astaneh-Asl -- who has had access to 40,000 tons of scrap -- said his findings confirm the widely held theory about the buildings' demise: that the impact of the planes did relatively little damage to the Towers. Rather, it was 1,000-plus-degree heat from the burning jet fuel that caused key outer beams to buckle, and floor after floor to fall.
JERSEY CITY, New Jersey -- In a scrap yard across the Hudson River from the fallen twin towers, engineering professor Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl pores over the 1,500 tons of twisted, charred steel arriving here each day from the remains of the World Trade Center like an archaeologist, like a coroner.
The University of California at Berkeley professor unveiled new details about the skyscrapers' cause of death Friday, displaying for the first time beams hit by one of the jets that ultimately brought down the towers, as well as scraps from the plane itself.
Astaneh-Asl -- who has had access to 40,000 tons of scrap -- said his findings confirm the widely held theory about the buildings' demise: that the impact of the planes did relatively little damage to the Towers. Rather, it was 1,000-plus-degree heat from the burning jet fuel that caused key outer beams to buckle, and floor after floor to fall.
If structural engineering professor opened your closet, found 40,000 tons of shoes and told us you're a size five and a half, yes we would believe him. But to claim or imply that the WTC wreckage was not examined is simply not true.
There's a whole forum full of information on 9/11 here. If you have questions, there's nothing stopping you from asking.
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It can be better to be bit unclear & indirect enabling people to use more brain & remember.
I was just trying to understand, on first hand:-
Why crimanals, terrorists, devils etc. take birth & exist? Is it manmade or natural?
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What's NASA got to do with killing bin Laden?
Where did I say the story was a hoax?
Check your facts before blindly sucking on the “conspiracy theorist” soother.
You are assuming the latest, corrected narrative is true. Why?
In propaganda craft, the first narrative is the one that sticks in the public mind, regardless of later "corrections". Remember what happened to Jessica Lynch (another "heroic" propaganda operation in which Seal Team six were also involved)?
Where did I say anythig about a hoax? All I did was suggest that a default position of believing a governing structure that has repeatedly lied is irrational.
Thus people unquestionably and enthusiastically reguritated the reassuring Hollywood-style fantasy of an armed bin Laden using his wife as a human shield.
Babbling about the Moon Landing is as relevant to the topic under discussion as Elvis Presley.
Just like your average, grubby, homeland police execution, then.
'Judge Napolitano Asks 'Who Will Obama Illegally Kill Next?'':
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Sword_Of_Truth
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Edited by kmortis:
Removed personal remarks
BTW, the killng of Bin Laden was legal, look up Operation Vengeance.
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