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Merged Osama bin Laden dead,

JihadJane said:
Is there a reason why you choose the default position of believing a governing structure that has repeatedly lied to you?
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I'm not aware NASA has been exposed lying to the American public. They may have been ordered to stop talking about global warming and the Big Bang, but they never resorted to lying when that happened.

You really need to find a palate with narrower brushes. If our government were that cohesive we be in big trouble.
 
Current news brief: Woman killed in crossfire, not as a shield. Second woman shot in leg, not killed, had "rushed" the Seals and was in the same room as Bin Laden. Sounds like they could have taken Bin Laden alive and either didn't intend to or were acting too quickly and assumed Bin Laden was going for, or had a weapon. I think the latter is a reasonable scenario.
 
The Fool said:
There is a cricket ground over the road from the compound. Probably someone stumbled on the secret when they were trying to get a ball back. You heard it here first....Osama discovered due to an excellent long drive back over the bowlers head...
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I always suspected that cricket must have some purpose. Never knew what it was until now.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Current news brief: Woman killed in crossfire, not as a shield. Second woman shot in leg, not killed, had "rushed" the Seals and was in the same room as Bin Laden. Sounds like they could have taken Bin Laden alive and either didn't intend to or were acting too quickly and assumed Bin Laden was going for, or had a weapon. I think the latter is a reasonable scenario.
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How many 40 minute gun fights have you been in? What makes you think a man like OBL would surrender?

Do you think that anyone in his position would just give up because some heavily armed men who were shooting everyone in sight said "Freeze!"?

Considering the mind set of terrorists, killing every thing they can, even themselves, why would they throw up their hands and ask for mercy?

This was a military operation, not a police raid seeking to serve an arrest warrant.

And despite the nearly ten years since 9/11, NO insiders have stepped forward to admit their collusion in the attacks yet truthers still exist?

Wow.
 
GregHouseMD said:
And despite the nearly ten years since 9/11, NO insiders have stepped forward to admit their collusion in the attacks yet truthers still exist?

Wow.
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Ummm.... Skeptic Ginger's not a truther. I apologize if that was not your claim, but it sure seemed to be what you were implying.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Sounds like they could have taken Bin Laden alive and either didn't intend to or were acting too quickly and assumed Bin Laden was going for, or had a weapon. I think the latter is a reasonable scenario.
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I think the intent was to go in and kill him. At least that's what I heard. I don't think they had any intention of taking him alive.
 
So they released the photo of him.

It's... well about half his head is missing.

They don't mess about when they make modern weapons, do they?

Edited to add : Dangit, I got taken in by a fake. Sorry.
 
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I would have liked to see him brought before the American justice system to answer for his accusations. Having him sit in the defendant's stand to face the families of those killed in 9/11. I think our prosecutors could have got a conviction. Then send him to the gallows if guilty. This way of executing him without a trial is cheap in my eyes.

I guess convenience is the overriding factor nowadays.

But hey, I'm all for wars.
 
JJM 777 said:
Able? Certainly, any government and a few thousand criminal gangs would be _able_ to stage a raid like that.

Willing? That is a different and potentially uncertain question.


The best defense against revolution is to lead it. Huge movements can be false flag hoaxes, with everyone else honestly in it except the small leadership.


I am skeptical about the vague evidence. If you have a problem with that, it might make you a believer.
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Thanks for outing yourself. Comes in handy.
 
I Am The Scum said:
If you're willing to believe that the government is willing and able to stage this raid all for the sake of faking a report on Bin Laden's death, then you're also willing to believe that they would fake any other evidence they might have offered. Photos? Photoshopped. DNA? Falsified report. Video? Staged. "Bin Laden's" body? Surgically altered burkah salesman.
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Sword_Of_Truth said:
JihadJane said:
thaiboxerken said:
By his logic, the moon landing was a hoax as well.
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Is there a reason why you choose the default position of believing a governing structure that has repeatedly lied to you?
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wow.

Quoted for posterity.
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EXTRACT:

Hours later, other administration officials were clarifying Brennan's account. Turns out the woman that was killed on the compound wasn't bin Laden's wife. Bin Laden may have not even been using a human shield. And he might not have even been holding a gun.

Politico's Josh Gerstein adds: "The White House backed away Monday evening from key details in its narrative about the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, including claims by senior U.S. officials that the Al Qaeda leader had a weapon and may have fired it during a gun battle with U.S. forces." Gerstein added: "a senior White House official said bin Laden was not armed when he was killed."

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'In bin Laden killing, media -- as usual -- regurgitates false Government claims'

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/03/propaganda_bin_laden
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Current news brief: Woman killed in crossfire, not as a shield. Second woman shot in leg, not killed, had "rushed" the Seals and was in the same room as Bin Laden. Sounds like they could have taken Bin Laden alive and either didn't intend to or were acting too quickly and assumed Bin Laden was going for, or had a weapon. I think the latter is a reasonable scenario.
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It seems the latest news is that he had no weapon vut was killed because he "resisted" whatever that means.


CNN said:
U.S. forces then moved upstairs where they found bin Laden in a room with a woman believed to be his wife -- both unarmed, Carney said. She rushed the U.S. forces and was shot in the leg but not killed. Bin Laden resisted and was shot and killed, Carney said
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That will certainly put oil on the fire. Some people already questionning the legitimacy of the killing (said on tv "executing" which is quite a loaded word; i hope i misheard as i was doing somethign else at the same tiem) especially on the legitimacy of the "war on terrorism". That is not new mind you as targeted "assassination" were already seen as bad.

*shrug* it now devolve in the usual (fully non-interrresting for me) political circus so count me out on speaking more about that.
 
I find it difficult to believe that Obama gave this order. Here's what really happened: Someone in the military headed the operation -- a Republican, most likely -- and when it was a fait accompli, Obama swept in and took the credit (as usual).
 
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