Merged Osama bin Laden dead,

[Ziggurat]

Operative word added back in and bolded:

No, johnny. The operative words were "Obama certainly deserves credit for this". Which explicitly contradicts your accusation about what I suggested.

It's a classic set-up for a backhanded compliment

"Tom is a nice guy, but..."

And yet, you cut off what was after the "but". So let's go to the actual quote, shall we?

Obama certainly deserves credit for this, but your accusation that Bush didn't seriously pursue OBL is unfounded.

Does that undercut Obama? No, it doesn't. There is no dichotomy here: one is not actually required to blame Bush in order to praise Obama. You could reasonably take that as undercutting Pardalis (who I was responding to), but what comes after the "but" in no way lessens or contradicts what came before it, as the actual quote reveals. So it's no surprise that you cut that part out.

In other words, you're trying to cover your lies with more lies. But they remain transparent.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I wasn't aware that all terrorists attacks are perpetrated by AQ.

I didn't realize that a solo person going nuts with a gun on a base was a terrorist act.

I saw a person get pulled over for speeding. Was that a terrorist act as well?

 

[Ziggurat]

I didn't realize that Ft. Hood was an Al Queda attack. Link?

Dorian didn't say anything about Al Qaeda attacks. Link.

 

[Ziggurat]

I didn't realize that a solo person going nuts with a gun on a base was a terrorist act.

Well, that's your problem right there, then. Glad we could clear that up for you.

 

[dtugg]

I didn't realize that a solo person going nuts with a gun on a base was a terrorist act.

I saw a person get pulled over for speeding. Was that a terrorist act as well?

I would say that killing a bunch of people for political reasons is a terrorist act. Either way your response indicated that you believe all terrorist attacks are by AQ. I am sure that is not what you actually believe but that is how it read.

 

[geni]

My nearly 13 year old brother doesn't even know who Osama bin Laden was beside that he was "some terrorist guy" :sigh: I think that was pretty much the same answer I would have given when I was 13. In 1998. What the hell are schools teaching kids nowadays? I mean, Osama was undoubtedly one of the most important people of 21st century thus far.

How important individuals are is always a tricky game to play. For example would you consider Mohamed Bouazizi one of the most important people of the 21st century?

If bin Laden wasn't around Ayman al-Zawahiri may well have found someone else to partner with.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Nope. I don't buy it. Please prove that the Ft Hood incident was a terrorist act.

 

[portlandatheist]

Obama did an absolutely wonderful job of making a very conscious decision to go after OBL and allocating resources and making tough decisions and risks. 3 cheers for Obama! I feel nothing but gratitude to Obama, our armed forces and the choices they made. Additionally, the intelligence about the courier took place during Bush's watch and this entire thing couldn't have happened without both of their efforts as commanders in chief. If there was ever a moment for liberals and conservatives to be on the same page, that time is now. Yes, mistakes have been made and in hind sight, we can point lots of fingers but this operation has been years in the making and took the cooperation of many diverse groups of dedicated Americans and they all deserve our gratitude and that includes both the Bush and Obama administration. My hats are off to them!

 

[geni]

I would say that killing a bunch of people for political reasons is a terrorist act.

That creates the problem that pretty much all war is defined as terrorism (there were a few wars that were conducted purely for financial gain).

The other problem is that there are terrorist groups that go in for property damage rather than killing people. Your definition would exclude the angry brigade.

 

[dtugg]

How important individuals are is always a tricky game to play. For example would you consider Mohamed Bouazizi one of the most important people of the 21st century?

If bin Laden wasn't around Ayman al-Zawahiri may well have found someone else to partner with.

No, since I had to google him to figure out who he is.

At the vary least one could say that Osama was one of the most infamous people of the 21st Century. Everybody who is old enough to remember 9/11 should know who he was. OK, my brother wasn't old enough, but isn't that what schools are for?

 

[thaiboxerken]

I would say that killing a bunch of people for political reasons is a terrorist act. Either way your response indicated that you believe all terrorist attacks are by AQ. I am sure that is not what you actually believe but that is how it read.

I wouldn't. And also, the terrorist acts being talked about in the thread were about those from abroad, or originating from.

 

[geni]

Nope. I don't buy it. Please prove that the Ft Hood incident was a terrorist act.

Terrorism is a subjective term. For example it's entirely possible to argue that people going postal at work is Terrorism.

 

[dtugg]

That creates the problem that pretty much all war is defined as terrorism (there were a few wars that were conducted purely for financial gain).

The other problem is that there are terrorist groups that go in for property damage rather than killing people. Your definition would exclude the angry brigade.

You have a point; terrorism is hard to define.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I assume you mean 2001.
Weed must work quickly.

Yes, good catch on my typo. Oops.

They probably used tanks.

Blackhawks. (Them are helicopters)

I'll bet the stocks do well tomorrow.

Dropped three points. you would have bet wrongly.

MSNBC reports it was another person hiding behind the woman. We'll never know if it is true or a PR story. Too bad we can't trust our own military to tell us the truth.

Too bad you would not recognize the truth if it shot you in the face.

I agree, respecting his religious beliefs that he used as his excuse to attack the US? That's just wrong.

Disagree. This is a "kill 'em with kindness" political move that doesn't have to make complete sense. He's better sharkbait than most.

Reports of a helicopter crash. Hmm I would have assumed that an osprey would have been used.

Why? You can't fast rope off of an Osprey quite like you can off of a helicopter. That is one of the Osprey's unfortunate limitations.

Oh. I see. And who was the hide and seek champ before Bin Laden?

Some Aggie, whose skeleton was found in a closet at A & M in 1956.

That was my thought as well.

Aye.

Of course, with the body now fish food, the conspiracy folks on all sides will be out "proving" that (1) He's not dead or (2) He's been dead for years and this was an Obama 'false flag' operation.

How is life up in tornado land, anyhow?

Hamas condemns killing of "holy warrior" bin Laden

GAZA (Reuters) – The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas on Monday condemned the killing by U.S. forces of Osama bin Laden and mourned him as an "Arab holy warrior."
"We regard this as a continuation of the American policy based on oppression and the shedding of Muslim and Arab blood," Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip, told reporters.

Way to help out US good will in the Arab Israeli peace process, numbnuts in Hamas. Geez, what do these idiots drink for breakfast?

For taking almost 10 years to kill one guy?

Good thing he's dead, but it's an embarassment it took this long.

Well, it is thanks to Pervez Musharaff, and a bunch of other elites in Pakistan, that it took so long.

Has anyone knowledgeable already commented on the probability that higher-up elements in the Pakistani army protected OBL?

It's sorta obvious. See also this evening's comments from the Pakistani government decrying the US operation, which our president RIGHTLY did not share with them until it was fait accompli.

Just heard on the news that Obama specifically gave orders to kill.

Good thing, "capture or kill" wasn't a good idea.

Do you mean if he didn't go down fighting?

Reports are of a 40 minute fire fight, or a 40 minute raid. Not sure of the context. Apparently, he went down fighting.

I'm sure Osama will release a video of his death in due course.

Makes sense you'd say something that stupid.

"Purpose of visit?"
"Well, technically, it's business, but we're going to enjoy this."

Heh

Right now, I'm really happy. Don't harsh my buzz with all this partisan crap.

100% agree.

This is just up the road from where I live:

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-bin-laden-graffiti,0,1486897.story

[qimg]http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/idiotdogbrain/61323340.jpg[/qimg]

Friends of yours, or just something curious in the 'hood?

 

[dtugg]

I wouldn't. And also, the terrorist acts being talked about in the thread were about those from abroad, or originating from.

Either way, yours was a nonsensical response unless you believe all terrorists attacks are perpetrated by AQ.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Either way, yours was a nonsensical response unless you believe all terrorists attacks are perpetrated by AQ.

Hardly. The entire thread is about Osama, the former leader of AQ. Just because you can jump out of context on a whim doesn't mean everyone else should.

 

[geni]

No, since I had to google him to figure out who he is.

Not surprising. Some veg seller sets themselves in Tunisia and suddenly we are bombing bits of Libya no one has heard from since WW2. Makes a bit of a mess of the influential person idea.

At the vary least one could say that Osama was one of the most infamous people of the 21st Century. Everybody who is old enough to remember 9/11 should know who he was. OK, my brother wasn't old enough, but isn't that what schools are for?

I think the school would expect the parents to cover that. I meant I can't actualy imagine a curriculum requirement for age 4-10 "must be able to name person who headed the organisation that carried out the 9/11 attacks". It's just something you expect people to find out through cultural osmosis.

 

[dtugg]

Hardly. The entire thread is about Osama, the former leader of AQ. Just because you can jump out of context on a whim doesn't mean everyone else should.

Sorry, "terrorist attacks" does not mean "AQ terrorist attacks".

 

[thaiboxerken]

Sorry, "terrorist attacks" does not mean "AQ terrorist attacks".

Sorry, but the context of which "terrorist attack" was used meant "from AQ."

 

[thaiboxerken]

Since Obama has been president, there has not been a single terrorist attack on US soil, plus he killed Osama bin Laden.

Mission Accomplished!

We could avoid more nonsense bickering by simply asking what Dorian meant.