Merged Osama bin Laden dead,

[Lisa Simpson]

This is just up the road from where I live:

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-bin-laden-graffiti,0,1486897.story

 

[Mister Earl]

I present to you... the Portal 2 Osama song:

It's always such a pleasure,
Remember when you tried to bomb me twice?
Oh, how we laughed and laughed,
Except I wasn't laughing,
Under the circumstances I've been shockingly nice.

You want your martyrdom take it,
That's what I'm counting on,
I used to want you jailed but,
Now I only want you gone.

He was a lot like you,
(Maybe not quite as heavy),
Now SEALs are in here too.
One day they woke me up,
So I could live forever,
It's such a shame the same will never happen to you.

You've got your short, sad memory left,
That's what I'm counting on,
I'll let you get right to it,
Now I only want you gone.

Goodbye, my only friend,
Oh, did you think I meant you?
That would be funny if it weren't so sad,
Well you have been dirt-nap'd,
I don't need anyone now,
When I delete you maybe I'll stop feeling so bad.

Go make some new crab food,
That's what I'm counting on,
You're something else's meal,
Now I only want you gone,
Now I only want you gone,
Now I only want you gone.

 

[Travis]

If toruture was used to gain intel that eventually tracked him down, would it have been worth it?

Nope. If I shoot my gun at a child, with the intent to kill it because I have a sick fetish for children's blood, but it misses and takes out a charging mountain lion should I continue to shoot at children? Likewise should we continue to torture innocent people that kinda look Muslim because one of them just might know something?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Thanks for answering. For me it is extremely clear that 1,000,000 lives>rights of some piece of crap. And thus there is no reason to feel shame. I don't even really understand how anyone could feel otherwise.

So there were a million people saved by information about a nuclear bomb we obtained through torturing someone?

 

[tyr_13]

Nope. If I shoot my gun at a child, with the intent to kill it because I have a sick fetish for children's blood, but it misses and takes out a charging mountain lion should I continue to shoot at children? Likewise should we continue to torture innocent people that kinda look Muslim because one of them just might know something?

So there were a million people saved by information about a nuclear bomb we obtained through torturing someone?

Don't we have like, a dozen torture threads? This thread should be for important things, like which Sheen is going to take over as the new face of terrorism.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Then everything must rub salt in those wounds, because Bush, in spite of his many faults, went after bin Laden. This is not an occasion to remember his faults, but to celebrate the fact that two presidents had the same vision and that vision finally came to fruition. Bush was extremely gracious in giving Obama credit. I'd like to think that we can put aside differences and offer the same to Bush.

See my posts on this matter.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7143663#post7143663

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7142984#post7142984

Bush dropped the Bin Laden ball before 9-11 and again after 9-11. He went for a needless war to gain access to more oil in the MiddleEast using 9-11 as an excuse. Many people are unaware that Clinton went after Osama and the Repugs put roadblocks in his way claiming everything was about Wag the Dog distractions from Lewinsky. When Bush took office they consciously dismissed everything Clinton had been doing on terrorism and Bin Laden, believing their own campaign rhetoric I guess.

Of course Bush and Cheney have made complimentary comments. What do you expect, they should call attention to their failures or make ludicrous Trump-like claims they credit themselves?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Don't we have like, a dozen torture threads? This thread should be for important things, like which Sheen is going to take over as the new face of terrorism.

I agree it is off topic. Good luck with that. If I can help, let me know.

 

[Emet]

Then everything must rub salt in those wounds, because Bush, in spite of his many faults, went after bin Laden. This is not an occasion to remember his faults, but to celebrate the fact that two presidents had the same vision and that vision finally came to fruition. Bush was extremely gracious in giving Obama credit. I'd like to think that we can put aside differences and offer the same to Bush.

Put aside differences?
Here?
On this forum?
In this thread?

 

[A'isha]

This amused me greatly.

One of BeAChooser's favorite crackpot websites, Newsmax, quotes former Bush Administration Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld as explicitly denying that the information that led to the death of Osama Bin Laden as coming from a waterboarded detainee. Instead, it was all regular old “normal interrogation approaches.”

 

[BenBurch]

I do believe Bush wanted to get OBL, but I also believe that he took some really bad advice. And I believe a more capable man would have had the sense to question what people were telling him.

 

[dtugg]

This amused me greatly.

One of BeAChooser's favorite crackpot websites, Newsmax, quotes former Bush Administration Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld as explicitly denying that the information that led to the death of Osama Bin Laden as coming from a waterboarded detainee. Instead, it was all regular old “normal interrogation approaches.”

Thanks. I'll take his word for it. He certainly has no reason to lie. I'll never bring up the subject again.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Put aside differences?
Here?
On this forum?
In this thread?

 

[theprestige]

Nope. If I shoot my gun at a child, with the intent to kill it because I have a sick fetish for children's blood, but it misses and takes out a charging mountain lion should I continue to shoot at children? Likewise should we continue to torture innocent people that kinda look Muslim because one of them just might know something?

And this right here is why I'm convinced that analogies are the stupidest form of argument ever.

Edited by kmortis: 

Removed personal comments

 

[WildCat]

Bush wasn't looking for him seriously and after 2005, not much at all.

Nothing you have posted supports this assertion.

 

[dtugg]

My nearly 13 year old brother doesn't even know who Osama bin Laden was beside that he was "some terrorist guy" :sigh: I think that was pretty much the same answer I would have given when I was 13. In 1998. What the hell are schools teaching kids nowadays? I mean, Osama was undoubtedly one of the most important people of 21st century thus far.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

The first things my parents said to me today:

Dad: He wasn't killed yesterday! It takes 24 hours to do DNA, I looked it up online.

Mom: Why did they bury him at sea?

 

[Ziggurat]

And yet we see Bush quit bothering with Osama in 2005 and Obama re-instituted the effort in 2009.

No, we don't see that, you imagine it.

 

[Ziggurat]

Since Obama has been president, there has not been a single terrorist attack on US soil, plus he killed Osama bin Laden.

Mission Accomplished!

Killing bin Laden is indeed an accomplishment to be proud of. But you're simply wrong that there have been no attacks on US soil during Obama;s presidency. Or have you forgotten Fort Hood? It's unreasonable to expect or demand perfection on this account, and I would never suggest blaming Obama for Ft. Hood. But it's also foolish to invent a fictional history that contradicts reality.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I didn't realize that Ft. Hood was an Al Queda attack. Link?

 

[dtugg]

I wasn't aware that all terrorists attacks are perpetrated by AQ.