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Open Minded Testing Organisations For Paranormal Phenomena

jambo372

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Does anyone here know of any unbiased committees who investigate paranormal phenomena such as psychic ability.
Brain washing organisations which are closed minded and cynical who despise claimants such as JREF and CSICOP don't count, neither do gullible organisations.
 
Well Jambo I'm not sure about rude vs gullible theme but if you want to take a closer look at other sites doing paranormal research still different from the formentioned I can post a few links perhaps. The degree of serious investigation presented below is something I can not comment on.

http://www.ispr.net/
http://www.parcs.org/ (Paranormal Research Center of Sweden)
It's sadly all in swedish if I recall correctly so, not likely you will get much from that site.
http://www.rockymountainparanormal.com/
www.prsne.com
http://www.paranormal-research.org/
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/3384/
http://www.paranormalresearchonline.com/fpr_what.html
http://www.iopr.org.uk/
 
Hi Jambo

Sorry I have no links.

Jambo, can I ask why you want info?

Is it because your having doubts?

Or are you just looking for stuff to back up in your mind what you believe? pseudo-science?

Sharon
 
I would say that it would be impossible to find a non-biased organisation that investigates paranormal events.
Either an organisation believes in paranormal things or it does not.
In either case, their results are going to reflect this bias.
 
Sharon said:
Hi Jambo

Sorry I have no links.

Jambo, can I ask why you want info?

Is it because your having doubts?

Or are you just looking for stuff to back up in your mind what you believe? pseudo-science?

Sharon
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I'm not having doubts or trying to find stuff to back up my beliefs.
 
Didn't you already ask this question?

Organizations which supposedly are unbiased about the paranormal use and/or publish such uncontrolled or protocol-weak research that only the gullible take them seriously.

All other research is shows negative or inconclusive results.
 
jambo372 said:
Does anyone here know of any unbiased committees who investigate paranormal phenomena such as psychic ability.
Brain washing organisations which are closed minded and cynical who despise claimants such as JREF and CSICOP don't count, neither do gullible organisations.
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Jambo, why don't you just say what you mean? You are looking for paranormal investigators that can provide credible evidence for the existence of paranormal events and abilities. They don't exist. There have been many scientific studies that appear to show evidence of the paranormal. They have never been successfully replicated by independant investigators.
 
jambo372 said:
Does anyone here know of any unbiased committees who investigate paranormal phenomena such as psychic ability.
Brain washing organisations which are closed minded and cynical who despise claimants such as JREF and CSICOP don't count, neither do gullible organisations.
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I have the distinct feeling that "closed minded and cynical" means that they don't agree with your closed minded ways. Also, from what I've seen, the annoyance we express about claimants comes from the obvious fraud and exploitation many of them perform, not their claims. Many others are merely self-deluded, and should, at most, be pitied. I give my endorsement to the JREF, because it administers tests that filter out bias, unlike many other paranormal-studying institutions, who fail to filter out trickery, get false positive results, and then refuse to tighten controls when obvious experimental flaws are shown.
 
vbloke said:
I would say that it would be impossible to find a non-biased organisation that investigates paranormal events.
Either an organisation believes in paranormal things or it does not.
In either case, their results are going to reflect this bias.
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Nope. If the testing is done correctly, bias doesn't enter into it. It doesn't matter if you believe in the paranormal or not so long as the investigation is double-blinded and meets scientific testing criteria.
 
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Gr8wight said:
Jambo, why don't you just say what you mean? You are looking for paranormal investigators that can provide credible evidence for the existence of paranormal events and abilities. They don't exist. There have been many scientific studies that appear to show evidence of the paranormal. They have never been successfully replicated by independant investigators.
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Don't try to put words in my mouth, I know of several investigators who've had official studies published proving PSI. I'm looking for institutes who actually test currently.
 
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jambo372 said:
Don't try to put words in my mouth, I know of several investigators who've had official studies published proving PSI. I'm looking for institutes who actually test currently.
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Show us these studies.
 
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jambo372 said:
I know of several investigators who've had official studies published proving PSI.
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References?
 
Ipecac said:
Nope. If the testing is done correctly, bias doesn't enter into it. It doesn't matter if you believe in the paranormal or not so long as the investigation is double-blinded and meets scientific testing criteria.
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indeed. I should have stated that pro-paranormal investigators often ignore standard testing procedures and publish results that cannot be repeated by others or draw conculsions that are shaky at best.

Originally posted by jambo372
I know of several investigators who've had official studies published proving PSI.
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and once again, we have a statement with no evidence to back it up.
 
jambo372 said:
Does anyone here know of any unbiased committees who investigate paranormal phenomena such as psychic ability.
Brain washing organisations which are closed minded and cynical who despise claimants such as JREF and CSICOP don't count, neither do gullible organisations.
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I think if you examine the record, you will find that JREF reps actually enjoy working with claimants that know and follow the challenge rules, communicate reliably, and provide unambiguous claims.
 
jambo372 said:
Does anyone here know of any unbiased committees who investigate paranormal phenomena such as psychic ability.
Brain washing organisations which are closed minded and cynical who despise claimants such as JREF and CSICOP don't count, neither do gullible organisations.
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Thing is, you have to be gullible to believe that the paranormal is worth investigating. I have a lot of trouble with the idea that the neutral or default position is that people may or may not be able to talk to dead people or may or may not be able to move objects with brain waves or may or may not be able to foretell the future. In fact, holding those positions represents a positive assertion that phenomena that operate contrary to the laws of nature and all of our collective human experience are a possibility. This is not a reasonble assertion.

I would also add that no particular paranormal phenomena has anymore to recommend it for study than any other and there are, conceivable, an infinite number of imagined paranormal possibilities, how does one go about determining which paranormal phenomena are worth investigating? That is the trouble with believing things for which there is no genuine evidence - there are an infinite number of them, making the choice of which one to believe entirely arbitrary.
 
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jambo372 said:
Don't try to put words in my mouth, I know of several investigators who've had official studies published proving PSI. I'm looking for institutes who actually test currently.
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I'm not putting the words in your mouth, Jambo. You are entirely transparent.

I did not claim that there were no published studies "proving" "PSI". Just that independent investigators had been unable to replicate the results of those studies, thereby rendering them suspect.
 
Dr A gets a new avatar. Jambo gets a new Avatar...

Dr A if you have created 'jambo' there will officially be no good left in the world anymore.
 
Ashles wrote:
Dr A gets a new avatar. Jambo gets a new Avatar...
Dr A if you have created 'jambo' there will officially be no good left in the world anymore.
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Mayday changed "her" avatar too. Hmmm...
 
If there were such animals as "paranormal phenomena" then even "close minded" organizations couldn't disprove them. The quest for "open minded" organizations is a quest for shabby procedures and biased "investigators".
 
Ashles said:
Dr A gets a new avatar. Jambo gets a new Avatar...

Dr A if you have created 'jambo' there will officially be no good left in the world anymore.
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You must be joking. As if some sceptic could create a work of art as good as I.
 
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