One Million Rupees Offer to prove "Homeopathy is Paranormal"
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Mojo
Mostly harmless
Re: Re: Re: Good Intention
Yes, because of the statistical flaws mentioned the study proves absolutely nothing.Kumar said:
Yes, from what Rolfe has posted, at least one of the authors of the study is a proponent of homeopathy. And your point is?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Good Intention
How it tells that there is nothing? In comparisn to public means & energy devoted to homeopathy with modern system, even 25-40% positive results should also be considered as comparable(Vikram somewhat agreed to it in some topic).
Mojo said:
How it tells that there is nothing? In comparisn to public means & energy devoted to homeopathy with modern system, even 25-40% positive results should also be considered as comparable(Vikram somewhat agreed to it in some topic).
Just forget & leave TTT(Trolling Types Talks). 
Let us do something for "one million dollers/rupees."
We have two scientific referances:-
Law of conservation of energy: in any given system the amount of energy is constant; energy is neither created nor destroyed, but only transformed from one form to another.
In the natural world, we say that there are systems. For example, the solar system of nine planets orbiting the sun. In the human body, we refer to such systems as the nervous system, the circulatory system, the digestive system, the reproductive system, and the respiratory system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System
How Law of conservation of energy applies to body's systems?
How Law of conservation of energy applies to modren, alternative, homeopathic ..systems?
Let us do something for "one million dollers/rupees."
We have two scientific referances:-
Law of conservation of energy: in any given system the amount of energy is constant; energy is neither created nor destroyed, but only transformed from one form to another.
In the natural world, we say that there are systems. For example, the solar system of nine planets orbiting the sun. In the human body, we refer to such systems as the nervous system, the circulatory system, the digestive system, the reproductive system, and the respiratory system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System
How Law of conservation of energy applies to body's systems?
How Law of conservation of energy applies to modren, alternative, homeopathic ..systems?
Rolfe
Adult human female
Reality check. Whatever he calls it, David Reilly isn't actually doing homoeopathy. He's doing isopathy.
Why does that matter? Well, it matters because quite a lot of the resoundingly negative studies have also used isopathy rather than homoeopathy in their design. And to a man, homoeopaths dismiss these as irrelevant because "that's not homoeopathy". But suddenly, when someone publishes a result that seems to be positive, that's OK because isopathy is somehow suddenly OK again?
It also illustrates Kumar's persistent intellectual dishonesty. Trawl the net for anything that looks positive, and completely ignore any negative studies, of which there are plenty. If you can look at that study through half-closed eyes and imagine that "maybe there's something there", why can't you look straight at the absolutely negative studies and say, well, after all, there isn't?
Because it's all right back to repeatability. How come only David Reilly can seem to get this study to work, and when anyone else tries it, no dice? Maybe for the same reason that only Fleischmann and Pons could get cold fusion to work, and when better physicists tried it, they realised there was nothing there?
Rolfe.
Ossai said:
I have to disagree, it doesn't matter what goes in!
EHocking
Penultimate Amazing
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Good Intention
... the test was NOT controlled . ...
Perhaps you should have read the full text rather than the Abstract, and then you would have noticed this:
Although drugs for rhinitis were stopped two weeks before entry, patients could use them during the trial if required, and asthma drugs were not altered...
So. "Allopathic" allergen drugs were permitted to be used by the test subjects throughout the trial. I can see no mention of when these drugs were used by the test subjects nor where this has been accounted for in any of the results.
Null test.
Null result.
Null conclusions.
In my opinion a blatant misrepresentation.
(ETA - you're welcome, Jocce)
Besides you ignoring the point that the results are inaccurate due to the statistical treatment being incorrect....Kumar said:
... the test was NOT controlled . ...
Perhaps you should have read the full text rather than the Abstract, and then you would have noticed this:
Although drugs for rhinitis were stopped two weeks before entry, patients could use them during the trial if required, and asthma drugs were not altered...
So. "Allopathic" allergen drugs were permitted to be used by the test subjects throughout the trial. I can see no mention of when these drugs were used by the test subjects nor where this has been accounted for in any of the results.
Null test.
Null result.
Null conclusions.
In my opinion a blatant misrepresentation.
(ETA - you're welcome, Jocce)
Darat said:
Silica: It is a very stable compound, as in the only acid it will react with is hydrofluoric acid. Silicon dioxide is an acidic oxide. It is acidic because when in water it produces hydrogen ions from the water. Silicon dioxide also transmits visible and ultraviolet light. Ingestion Low hazard. Inhalation Irritation, long term exposure of the crystalline form causes silicosis.
Why mentioned about spondylitis?
Rolfe said:
Rolfe,
Law of conservation of energy: in any given system the amount of energy is constant; energy is neither created nor destroyed, but only transformed from one form to another.
As per this basic science law, amount of energy in any modern or other older system as homeopathy is constant neither could be created nor destroyed. Why then to try & tell only empity portion of half filled glass?
Pls maintain nature banlance/homeostatis because if you will dig for making mountains for yourself, your can leave a pit for your small children".
By this law, just understand nature's style for balancing itself or maintain hormony among its beings:-
Galton's law of regression: average parents tend to produce average children, but the offspring of extreme parents inherit the parental peculiarities in a less marked degree than the latter were manifested in the parents themselves.
Is it not better to become less inteligent, if we want to do something for our children? Do humans practice this law or not?
Why don't you work the answer out for yourself? If you are using the word "system" in the second paragraph the way I think you are using it, then it is not the same meaning as in the first paragraph. If so, your second paragraph has no connection to the law in the first paragraph, so you can't use it to draw any conclusions.
I think you know by now that words in science are carefully defined, so I'm surprised that you are trying to apply them to other situations where the meanings and the situations are different. There is no value in doing that.
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Kumar said:
Nope.
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Kumar said:
What is right if not left?