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On the Cain Train

Not a cain supporter, though I didn't mind seeing him advance and add some interest to the contest in his own way, but the harassment thing instantly turns me off. Having been in the position of a "victim" of sexual discrimination and having been brutally libeled by the firm and their a*0 lawyers, I know that people will lie through their teeth about things like this, and he is striking me as no different than my old boss in that regard.
 
Well, he's sounding a more like a politician than a businessman with every iteration. Fast learner.

Wrong is a very polarizing aspect of right.
 
Any chance Cain had at winning the nomination is gone. It's over for him. He wasn't even a good liar on this one. On TV he said he didn't know if the National Restaurant Association settled with the people who claimed harassment even though he he was the freaking CEO of the National Restaurant Association.

I would also be shocked if this harassment news wasn't leaked by the Romney or Perry campaigns. I don't think the democrats have any real incentive to ruin his chances at getting the nomination as he would be a dream candidate for them (because he has no chance).
 
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Remember when the right accused the left of being too quick with accusations of racism whenever a black politician is criticized for something or other?

Well, guess what's the very first weapon employed in the defense of Herman Cain?

We Should Not be Surprised by the Left's Racist Hit Job on Herman Cain

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RUSH: You know, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, folks. After all of these years, none of us should be surprised, but I still am. Look at how quickly what is known as the mainstream media goes for the ugliest racial stereotypes they can to attack a black conservative. You know who's laughing himself silly today is Bill Clinton. (imitating Clinton) "Yeah, I really did it. Ha-ha. They praised me and they went as far out of their way as they could. Even my old buddy Carville is out there and he's saying, 'Look what happens when you drag a dollar bill through a trailer park, you get Paula Jones.' I have everybody defending me and they're going after this black guy, and they're going after him with some of the ugliest racial stereotypes I have ever seen. That's how our side does it; we get away with it. I just love it. I love watching it."

What's next, folks? A cartoon on MSNBC showing Herman Cain with huge lips eating a watermelon? What are they gonna do next? No, Snerdley, I'm not kidding. The racial stereotypes that these people are using to go after Herman Cain, what is the one thing that it tells us? It tells us who the real racists are, yeah, but it tells us that Herman Cain is somebody. Something's going on out there. Herman Cain obviously is making some people nervous for this kind of thing to happen.
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:rolleyes:
 
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I'm much more troubled by his economic proposals, his Op-ed piece about immigration (part of which he said was a joke--because he apparently thinks killing illegals is funny), and so on than I am about old harassment allegations that have been settled.

Looks like it's going to be Romney.
 
BenBurch said:
It would have played better if he said "All people learn lessons as they mature. I did, and I again extend my humble apologies to those I offended."
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I absolutely agree. If he basically admitted he had done something stupid and said that he regretted it, etc., etc., I would be in a more forgiving mood.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
...his Op-ed piece about immigration (part of which he said was a joke--because he apparently thinks killing illegals is funny)...
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Was it a joke or wasn't it? He doesn't seem to know himself. According to a Phoenix New Times article:

Halfway through the question about the electric fence, Cain butted in with "it was a joke!"

"Let me first say it was a joke, and some people don't think that it was a good joke, and it's probably not a joke that you're supposed to make if you're a presidential candidate," Cain continued. "I apologize if it offended anyone. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa."

Only, it might not be a joke, he later said, before finally saying he just doesn't want to offend anyone.

"I don't like to offend anyone...however, I don't apologize for using a combination of a fence. And it might be electrified -- I'm not walking away from that," Cain backtracked. "I just don't want to offend anybody. It was a joke to the extent in the context of the views of that speech, but in terms of what we need to do, I fully intend to do so because I'm more sensitive to our citizens being hurt."​

Here's a video of it:



-Bri
 
I particularly enjoy this part:
Cain said:
It was a joke to the extent in the context of the views of that speech, but in terms of what we need to do, I fully intend to do so because I'm more sensitive to our citizens being hurt.
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JoeTheJuggler said:
I'm much more troubled by his economic proposals, his Op-ed piece about immigration (part of which he said was a joke--because he apparently thinks killing illegals is funny), and so on than I am about old harassment allegations that have been settled.
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This issue is not what happened 20 years ago, it's about how he's reacted in the last week as documented in this thread. Ignorance and lies, or maybe just all lies. Like many issues with politicians, it's more about them covering up then about what they are trying to hide.
 
Bri said:
Was it a joke or wasn't it? He doesn't seem to know himself.
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Exactly my point. When challenged on whether or not he really wants electrified fences capable of killing people on our borders, he says it was just a joke, but then points out that he does want electrified fences.

So is he really claiming that the only part that was a "joke" was about killing people for trying to climb border fences? Does he actually think that's in any possible way humorous, especially since he is seriously in favor of electrified fences?

He claims the problem is that the rest of us lack a sense of humor.
 
CBS’s “Face the Nation,” October 30, 2011:

Bob Schieffer: OK. I want to ask you, since we're on the subject of abortion, there was, at one point back there when the question of Planned Parenthood came up, and you said that it was not Planned Parenthood, it was really planned genocide because you said Planned Parenthood was trying to put all these centers into the black communities because they wanted to kill black babies --

Herman Cain : Yes.

Scheiffer: -- before they were born. Do you still stand by that?

Cain: I still stand by that.

Schieffer: Do you have any proof that that was the objective of Planned Parenthood?

Cain: If people go back and look at the history and look at Margaret Sanger's own words, that's exactly where that came from. Look up the history. So if you go back and look up the history -- secondly, look at where most of them were built; 75 percent of those facilities were built in the black community -- and Margaret Sanger's own words, she didn't use the word "genocide," but she did talk about preventing the increasing number of poor blacks in this country by preventing black babies from being born.​

Just to save you from having to "go back and look up the history" the Washington Post Fact Checker does it for you:

No matter what you think of abortion, it seems pretty clear that Cain is spouting historical fiction. There is no evidence that Sanger ever sought to kill black babies, either through the Negro Project or any other endeavor. Cain’s claim that three-quarters of Planned Parenthood’s facilities are in black neighborhoods also appears wildly exaggerated.​

-Bri
 
DavidJames said:
This issue is not what happened 20 years ago, it's about how he's reacted in the last week as documented in this thread. Ignorance and lies, or maybe just all lies. Like many issues with politicians, it's more about them covering up then about what they are trying to hide.
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And Clinton was only impeached because he lied under oath, right?

I'm not saying that sort of thing isn't a problem, but it bothers me waaaaay less than Cain's policies do.
 
And speaking of the Cain sense of humor. . in 2006, he wrote a column suggesting that the GOP begin grooming (pre-scandal) Tiger Woods for a run at the presidency in 2016.

Now he claims that was just a joke too.

I find that so very difficult to swallow since we've had the likes of Trump reported as leading the polls in this race, proving that there is no candidate so absurd that parody is self-evident.

Please, take a moment to read this column and tell me if you think it was meant to be comedy, or if it wasn't straight-up sincere.

http://economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-121306.asp

It would be different if Cain had said simply that he was writing about a person who he thought had the traits he spoke of in the article. Since the sex-scandals have come to light, he respectfully retracts his suggestion.
 
DavidJames said:
Fair enough, but how do you judge a candidates stated policies if you know he lies?
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Sorry, but that doesn't make sense unless he's claiming that he didn't offer the proposals he has offered. We can judge a politician based on his policy proposals. If he waffles about his proposals, we can judge him based on said waffling.

I think these policy positions are far more important than how he handles questions about settled sexual harrassment allegations.
 
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